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Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« on: March 09, 2016, 09:14:30 AM »
Hello. I am a pharmacy student at a university in the Philippines. For our inorganic chemistry laboratory, we were asked to synthesize alum. These were the following chemicals used:

For NH4 Alum:
Diluted Ammonia solution
Diluted Sulfuric Acid
Aluminum Sulfate

For Potassium Alum:
Diluted Sulfuric Acid
Aluminum Sulfate
Potassium Sulfate

I was wondering if anyone knows the complete balanced chemical formula of these reactions? I seriously do not know how to approach this situation. Complex ions were never discussed in our class and I'm stumped and I really wish someone can help me.

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 09:28:24 AM »
Well, we can try. Can you write the reactants in chemical nomenclature?  Can you lookup the products' chemical formulas.  Once put together, we can see about balancing.
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 09:46:33 AM »
Well, all I got is this:

For Ammonium Alum
2NH3+ + H2SO4  :rarrow: (NH4)2SO4 //// Al2(SO4)3 + (NH4)2SO4  :rarrow: 2 (NH4)Al(SO4)2

For Potassium Alum:
H2SO4 + K2SO4 + Al2(SO4)3  :rarrow: KAl(SO4)2 + (I do not know what to put here :/)

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2016, 09:53:47 AM »
What's left, if anything?  If nothing's left, you don't have to write anything. Alums kinda only exist once they've crystallized.  That's more of a physical interaction than a chemical reaction.  I don't really know what you have to write, or how it helps you or anyone else understand the process better.
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2016, 09:58:06 AM »
Well, I need a balanced chemical equation to determine the theoretical yield. How do I know the number of moles of Potassium alum? Do I just assume it to be 2?

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 10:09:54 AM »
Is any mass given?
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2016, 10:14:03 AM »
I'll just lay it out there:

0.5 mL was added to 50 mL distilled water. Mixture was heated to boiling, then 1.25 g of Aluminum Sulfate and 3.5 g of Potassium Sulfate was dissolved in it. The solution was filtered and cooled to allow crystallization.

I wasn't sure what mass you were asking, so I listed all except the actual yield, which I presume is not important for determining theoretical yield...?

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2016, 10:37:15 AM »
0.5 mL was added to 50 mL distilled water. Mixture was heated to boiling, then 1.25 g of Aluminum Sulfate and 3.5 g of Potassium Sulfate was dissolved in it. The solution was filtered and cooled to allow crystallization.

I wasn't sure what mass you were asking, so I listed all except the actual yield, which I presume is not important for determining theoretical yield...?

0.5 mL is H2SO4 right? Is the molarity of it given? To calculate any number of moles of products(potassium alum in this case) you need the number of moles of reactants first - how you can calculate them by the given data?

Secondly, your chemical equation is not yet balanced. Without a balanced equation you can't obtain the mole ratio of the chemicals and calculate the number of moles.
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 10:49:49 AM »
I'll just lay it out there:

0.5 mL was added to 50 mL distilled water. Mixture was heated to boiling, then 1.25 g of Aluminum Sulfate and 3.5 g of Potassium Sulfate was dissolved in it. The solution was filtered and cooled to allow crystallization.

This is a good first step.  You have grams, you can convert to moles, and using a balanced chemical reaction, you can determine how much you should get, in terms of moles and also mass.

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I wasn't sure what mass you were asking, so I listed all except the actual yield, which I presume is not important for determining theoretical yield...?

No, you don't need actual yield to determine theoretical yield.  But you do need it for percent yield, if that question comes up later.
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2016, 10:55:12 AM »
I don't know the molarity of sulfuric acid at the moment, and I know how to do stoichiometry, my only problem is the complete balanced chemical equation :/

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2016, 10:59:28 AM »
Well then, answer my first question.What atoms are left after the formation of the alum double salt?  Can you account for them, as stable compounds?  Then, can you balance the reaction?

I'm sorry to answer a question with a question, but that's what we do here.  Its all the the Forum Rules{click}, you agreed to read them and follow them when you registered for this board.  You can use the symbols above to make chemical equations easier for us to follow.
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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 11:16:43 AM »
Well, the only atom left is the H+ atom, so I kinda thought that H2SO4 is a byproduct of the reaction..? I can't say H+ because there is no evolution of gas, right?

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Re: Ammonium and Potassium Aluminum Sulfate (Alum)
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2016, 09:00:53 PM »
Well, the only atom left is the H+ atom, so I kinda thought that H2SO4 is a byproduct of the reaction..?

Beware that you have H2SO4 in your reactant side. Typically the same chemical will not appear on both sides of a chemical equation but you can try to cancel out them.

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I can't say H+ because there is no evolution of gas, right?

No. Have H+ doesn't mean having H2.
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