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Title: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Vicsarina on February 12, 2008, 04:43:48 PM
I saw this dress on a forum I am on, and my morbid curiosity wished to know what chemical it is. My first assumption was caffeine. However it isn't, but it is similar.

This is the dress/formula:
(https://www.chemicalforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv292%2Ftoriajane%2F2007-05-08018.jpg&hash=3427d69aba60fb5a02b9d21d4da0221a25307564)

I'm guessing it's something common, but if anyone can help, I'd be so grateful. I hope I posted this in the right place, but I'm a geologist, not a chemist  ::)
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: agrobert on February 12, 2008, 05:06:54 PM
The closest common chemical to that structure is caffeine, or some purine derivative.  It may have been unintentionally drawn wrong on the dress.  A structure search in CAS returns no hits.  Maybe someone else knows?
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Arkcon on February 12, 2008, 05:12:47 PM
Well, it's a xanthine derivative, but it's not xanthine itself, caffeine, adenine, or guanine.  Nor is it paraxanthine, theophylline, or ...

Aha ... it's theobromine, a xanthine found in chocolate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Vicsarina on February 12, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
It's not theobromine. I'd already looked at that. It only has three nitrogen atoms, not four like caffeine and it's derivatives. Thank you for your replies though. It makes me feel better that I've been unable to find the answer so far  :)

It's actually in between caffeine/theobromine and nicotine. But still *no* idea.

::Edit:: Well not that close to Nicotine :/
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Arkcon on February 12, 2008, 05:36:48 PM
Rats.  My next thought that it was some common HIV drug, but most of those, like AZT, have very distinctive chemistry.
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: agrobert on February 12, 2008, 05:38:45 PM
Im pretty sure it is a mistake.  There is no reason to do analogous purine chemistry/biochemistry if you lack the essential pyrimidine ring.
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Vicsarina on February 12, 2008, 05:47:42 PM
Okay, thanks everyone for your replies. I'll just have to live with the knowledge it is unnameable. ;D
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: azmanam on February 12, 2008, 09:00:30 PM
Well, it is name-able.  The IUPAC name would be something like 3,5-dimethyl-3H-imidazo[4,5-c]pyridine-4,6(5H,7H)-dione.  But it's meaningless biologically.  Definitely a mistake
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: macman104 on February 12, 2008, 09:29:59 PM
You say you found it on a forum, is it merchandise, or avatar, or....?  Where did you find it, I'd be interested to find out what was said from whoever it originated from (if that sentence made sense).
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Borek on February 13, 2008, 03:24:57 AM
But it's meaningless biologically.

As long as it was not tested you can't be sure  ::)
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: AWK on February 13, 2008, 04:07:44 AM
If structure is lack of 1 nitrogen atom it may be paraxanthine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraxanthine
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Arkcon on February 13, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
Oh come now, no one would put paraxanthine on an article of clothing, I mean, really, that's not funny or clever.

(In other words, I got nothing)
:D
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: azmanam on February 13, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
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As long as it was not tested you can't be sure

Quite true.  Thanks for correcting me.  I should have elaborated and said that in the context of 'easily-recognizable-molecules-people-would-put-on-clothing'  it is biologically meaningless.
Title: Re: Please name this chemical for me.
Post by: Vicsarina on February 13, 2008, 02:47:36 PM
The owner was getting rid of it, and had no idea what the molecule was. That isn't much help.

I think you're right, it is meaningless... Or that the company who made it had a dyslexic designer  :-\ Maybe not.