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Offline robstamos

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CIA and trans alkenes
« on: November 02, 2019, 01:33:24 PM »
Simple question: Which is more stable: E cyclooctene or Z cyclooctene?

My professor marked the correct answer as E cyclooctene on the exam, but I am almost certain this is a mistake. Can anyone verify this for me before I email him?

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Re: CIA and trans alkenes
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2019, 02:08:44 PM »
Z is more stable due to relatively small ring size making trans unstable.
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Re: CIA and trans alkenes
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2019, 03:42:51 PM »
E (trans) isomers of cycloalkenes become more stable than Z (cis) isomers once the ring contains twelve or more carbon atoms. Z-cyclooctene exists. The energy difference between cis- and trans-cyclooctene is approximately 38.5 kJmol-1.
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Re: CIA and trans alkenes
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2019, 07:48:06 AM »
Is "CIA" autocorrect for "cis"?

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Re: CIA and trans alkenes
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2019, 09:10:31 AM »
The energy difference between cis- and trans-cyclooctene is approximately 38.5 kJmol-1.

Do you have a source for this? According to NIST (and references therein) the difference in standard heat of formation is about 3 kcal/mol (~12 kJ/mol).

https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=C931895&Mask=1E9F

https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=C931873&Units=SI&Mask=1F

But I agree that clearly (Z) is lower in energy.

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