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Offline qwerty44

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acids and equilibrium
« on: June 17, 2007, 07:46:42 PM »
Here is the question:
The acid dissociation constant for an acid dissolved in water is equal to the...

I said b) equilibrium constant

The correct answer was d) the equilibrium constant times the concentration of water

Can someone explain?


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Re: acids and equilibrium
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2007, 03:10:28 AM »
I don't like neither the question nor the answer. I suppose it is meant to take into account fact that there are no free H+ cations in the solution, they are all usually considered to be in the form of H3O+. Thus the dissociation reaction is not

HA <-> H+ + A- (Kdis)

but

HA + H2O <-> H3O+ + A- (Kdis1)

There are several problems with this approach. First of all dissociation constant described this way should be not multiplied, but divided by the water concentration:

Kdis1 = Kdis/[H2O]

which makes answer d) obviously incorrect.

But that's not all. H3O+ is only an approximation. You may find information about H+ being present in the solution in the form of H3O+, H5O2+, H7O3+ or even H9O4+; this is probably multi step equilibrium, in a way similar to many complexation reactions. If so, why not take one step more and go for - say

HA + 3H2O <-> H7O3+ + A- (Kdis3)

in which case

Kdis3 = Kdis/[H2O]3

So I can write at least 5 different versions of this equation with 5 different powers (0 to 4). I wonder how your teacher will try to convince me which one - and why - is correct.

See additional bit of information at water dissociation constant discussion.
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Re: acids and equilibrium
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2007, 11:01:45 AM »
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There are several problems with this approach. First of all dissociation constant described this way should be not multiplied, but divided by the water concentration:


Multiplication and division are really the same thing though, as multiplying by the inverse is the same as dividing  :D. But, that is a poor justification for this question/answer.

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