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skeme
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molar volume of methane
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August 05, 2007, 02:44:58 PM »
Calculate the molar volume of methane at 0°C and 1x10^7Pa assuming that the gas behaves perfectly.
I know that at stp the molar volume of a gas is 22.413 L/mol
Methane is not a perfect gas. Given the second virial coefficient (B) of methane under these conditions is -0.2393, calculate the molar volume
Any help with the above would be much appreciated
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Re: molar volume of methane
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August 05, 2007, 03:19:07 PM »
Molar volume is n/V. The ideal gas equation of PV=nRT. Solve for n/V.
For the second equation, look up the virial equation of state in your chem book, then solve for n/V.
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August 06, 2007, 08:05:47 AM »
by using V/n = RT/p i got 22.710 L/mol is this right?
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August 06, 2007, 03:42:13 PM »
At STP (0
o
C, 1.013x10
5
Pa), a gas has a molar volume of 22.413 L/mol. When you increase the pressure to 1x10
7
Pa, do you expect one mole of gas to occupy a greater volume or a smaller volume?
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August 10, 2007, 06:19:28 AM »
I would expect it to have a smaller volume
by using V/n = RT/p i got 0.0002271 L/mol
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August 10, 2007, 07:46:51 AM »
22.7 or 22.4 L/mol is a correct value depending on a standard pressure taken (10
5
Pa or 1.013x10
5
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Re: molar volume of methane
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August 10, 2007, 04:44:10 PM »
For the molar volume of an ideal gas at 273K and 10
7
Pa, I get 0.227 L/mol.
V/n = RT/P
R = 8.314 L kPa mol
-1
K
-1
T = 273 K
P = 1x10
4
kPa
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Re: molar volume of methane
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August 11, 2007, 05:48:11 PM »
Thanks for the help
Before you mentioned virial equation of state did you mean this
PV/nRT = z = 1 + B(T)n/V?
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August 11, 2007, 09:22:27 PM »
Yes.
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August 16, 2007, 04:08:49 AM »
I'm having problem rearranging the equation to make n/v the subject
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It ends up giving you a quadratic equation for n/V.
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August 19, 2007, 04:06:29 PM »
would it be pVm = RT (1 + B/Vm) ?
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August 19, 2007, 04:49:28 PM »
If you multiply through by V
m
, you can get a quadratic equation of the form:
aV
m
2
+ bV
m
+ c = 0
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