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Offline mandyj

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nomenclature
« on: October 21, 2007, 11:59:35 AM »
I'm having trouble with naming these formula:

Al2(MnO4)3    ---> I got dialuminum permangante
Al2(N2O2)3    ---> aluminum dinitrogen dioxide?? I didn't think N2O2 could be a polyatomic ion

Hg2I2 --> mercury (II) diiodide
sodium peroxide --> Na O (not sure what to do for "per" oxide)


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Re: nomenclature
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 12:38:00 PM »
First, remember that you don't need numerical prefixes (e.g. di, tri, tetra, etc.) when naming ionic compounds.  So, Al2(MnO4)3 is aluminum permanganate manganate. (note: since the aluminum ion has a charge of +3, this means that the anion has a -2 charge.  Therfore, the anion is manganate [MnO42-], not permanganate [MnO4-])

These formulas are tricky since they involve very weird ions.  For example, mercury has two common oxidation states.  Mercury (II) is Hg2+, but mercury (I) is Hg22+.  I don't know why the mercury (I) ions form a dimer, but that's how it behaves.  Similarly, oxygen normally will form oxide ions (O2-), but it can also form peroxide ions (O2-).

Unfortunately, I don't know the name of the N2O2- ion either.

[edit: it's actually aluminum manganate, not aluminum permanganate]

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Re: nomenclature
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 04:21:05 PM »
wouldn't N2O2 be dinitrogen peroxide? . and I'm pretty sure you're right about the permangate thing, because it has 1 more oxygen than mangate (MnO3) :)
So they should really be
Aluminum permangate
Aluminum dinitrogen peroxide
and
Sodium peroxide is Na2O2
and I don't know what the other guy is talking about, actually, O2 and Hg2 don't have charges... @_@

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Re: nomenclature
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 11:11:40 PM »
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O2 and Hg2 don't have charges
Oxygen does not have a charge but it can in inorganic complexes like Yggdrasil stated.  Mercury does have a charge depending on whether it is Hg(1) or Hg(II), follow Yggdrasil post.

Al2(MnO4)3 aluminum manganate

Sodium peroxide Na2O2

Hg2I2 mercury (II) iodide

As long as you indicate the oxidation state of the transition metal you don't need numerical prefixes if the ligand is homoleptic-(the only type of ligand in the complex).
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