[Custom car Fabrication]

You will have to excuse my unprofessional dictations but chemistry isn't my forte.  I am merely an auto mechanical student at one of the nations top automotive schools with an idea.  I have been working on a way to create a self powered and self recharging car stereo when i came across some information that lead me on a new path.  Electrolytes can be used for such a wide array of things.  From charging an Ipod with an onion to rejuvenating the body's vitamins after a workout.  Can an electrolyte be used to power an electric motor or actually be burned and continuously recreated after its consumption?  Its all a lot of speculated theory but that is why I am here, to get a perspective from a scientific community and maybe find out more about the creation of electrolytes.

Bonetti

[Borek]

No hope for you - TANSTAAFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

While discussion there refers to mechanical devices, the same holds for any other type - be it electric, electronic or anyhing else.

[Custom car Fabrication]

see this is the reply that previously stated in my original piece that i knew i would get.  Now i would only hope that someone with a slightly more optimistic point of view will help me out.  Or at least someone to put me in the direction of what i asked for, which is information on the creation of an electrolyte, no is not an option for people with persistence.

[enahs]

see this is the reply that previously stated in my original piece that i knew i would get.

I am not sure what you expect. You said:

"Can an electrolyte be used to power an electric motor or actually be burned and continuously recreated after its consumption?"

To me that says "Is there something I can use to power and electric motor but when I am done with it, it will be have as if no energy has been removed from the system."

Maybe we are misunderstanding you, but you seem to be saying you want to take the energy from a system and use it to do work, but then get that energy back as if no work was done?


However, I do have another idea, plus I too am into cars as well as auto repair for fun on my own cars.

In truth, I am not sure about how much electrical power is needed to run a car stereo or charge a battery to run one, or how much can be gotten from this idea. I hear by legally declare that if you read on and make something of my idea and patent it, I want some of the profits!

Have you seen those flashlights/hand-held radios that charge up just by shaking them? I am not sure how much energy they generate, but that method could be employed to charge a battery. I am thinking the best place to mount the devices would be "outside" of the suspension system, i.e. on the springs or Tie Rods.

There will always be vibration their. These are low power generation systems, but it might be possible to scale them up slightly, plus you can get at least 4 on the car near every suspension system, perhaps more.

It seems like you could easily do something along those lines without adding much weight.

 

[Borek]

see this is the reply that previously stated in my original piece that i knew i would get.  Now i would only hope that someone with a slightly more optimistic point of view will help me out.  Or at least someone to put me in the direction of what i asked for, which is information on the creation of an electrolyte, no is not an option for people with persistence.

You are asking for something that will act against known thermodynamics. While it is always possible that one day someone will prove first law of thermodynamics doesn't hold, so far there is an overhelming amount of data showing that it holds. All known world works in accordance with 1^st law and it was tested, checked, tested, checked for several hundreds years now. Thus it doesn't make a difference whether you are asking about chemists about electrolytes or physicist about neutrinos or biologists about plasmids - these are just cool names of objects, but no matter what and how you will try, you will be limited by the first law of thermodynamics, which tells you can't do what you are aiming at. Sorry to say that, but if you don't understand why you are wrong on the very first principle, it is not worth wasting your time moving ahead.

[Custom car Fabrication]

OK one more time.. Just want info on how electrolytes are created not necessarily if i can use them and then have them like they weren't used, thats just stupid.  What i was saying that seems to be so difficult to understand is that i wanted to know how they were created, that is all so that potentially they could be broken apart like the design of the hydrogen motor to create electricity, that is all. 

as far as the suggestion before to use the technology form flashlights i have a better idea and i have already got it in the process of a patten. 

                 KNOCK SENSORS: generate voltage when struck or shaken with enough force to cause them to react, so in theory with enough of them you could build a self recharging car stereo, that could be formulated into a way to provide energy for the car battery as well. 

ALSO

i am in the process of building a toyota camry that is powered by water, there is a car now that runs 93% water  and has ben PROVEN to run.  SO my goal is , 100% like most, and the estimated MPG = 50-300

[Borek]

Dissolve pinch of table salt in water. You have an electrolyte.

[enahs]

i am in the process of building a toyota camry that is powered by water, there is a car now that runs 93% water  and has ben PROVEN to run.  SO my goal is , 100% like most, and the estimated MPG = 50-300

Umm, where has it been proven that somebody had built a car that runs on 93% water?
I mean, sure, I can make a solution that is 93% water, but that other 7% is some serious stuff, and get lots of energy out of it.

I have no clue how you are getting energy from water without first putting energy in...


Also, I am just curious. Is it just a project as to charge a battery for a radio, or is there a specific reason you are applying this concept to charging a battery to a car radio?