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Offline bioe419

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Question regarding prediction of benzoin condensations
« on: November 23, 2007, 10:09:00 PM »
I am having trouble being able to predict whether benzoin condensation would work with reactants other than benzaldehyde, namely 4-tolualdehyde, 4-trifluoromethylbenzaldehyde, and 4-N-ethylaminobenzaldehyde.  I know that the benzoin condensation is a coupling reaction between two aldehydes to form α-hydroxyketones, and the mechanism makes sense with benzaldehyde is the reactant.  Must the α-hydroxyketone be benzoin?  If not, I would predict that benzoin condensation would occur with 4-tolualdehyde, but I am unsure about 4-trifluoromethylbenzaldehyde, and 4-N-ethylaminobenzaldehyde.

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Re: Question regarding prediction of benzoin condensations
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2007, 06:06:12 AM »
As far as I know, the benzoin condensation does not just make benzoin - the ArCHO does not have to be benzaldehyde if you see what I mean. However, other reactions may also be going on the pot as well. So in my opinion 4-tolualdehyde, 4-trifluoromethylbenzaldehyde would probably also react in a similar fashion, but I'm not sure about 4-N-ethylaminobenzaldehyde - assuming I've converted name to structure correctly there may be issues with enamine formation as a side reaction..?

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Re: Question regarding prediction of benzoin condensations
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 05:44:14 PM »
If your benzoin condensations are not working with NaCN, try thiamine hydrochloride activated by NaOH.
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