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potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« on: March 13, 2008, 09:11:24 AM »
Hi all, i have done a synthesis and part analysis of said compound, but am having problems working out the % ethanedioate in my sample. My yield was 5.6244g and it was titrated against 0.01979M KMnO_4 (ave. titre- 20.25cm) anyone help me in the right direction?

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Re: potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2008, 09:42:13 AM »
May be a synonym - oxalate helps you.

Write down a balanced readox reaction
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Re: potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2008, 09:55:43 AM »
So, without a redox reaction, it cannot simply be calculated by finding the FW of oxalic acid, and dividing this by the FW of the potassium trisethanedioatealuminate and multiplying it by 100%?


Another thing, i need to find out how many water molecules are attached to this, very confusing :(

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Re: potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2008, 10:23:49 AM »
Another thing, i need to find out how many water molecules are attached to this, very confusing :(

If you have a hunk of crystals, and can heat without decomposing the compound, you can drive off the water, and weigh the loss.  Unless you're hungry for more titration, and can do a Karl Fisher titration.  But I've never been that hungry for a titration.
Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

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Re: potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2008, 11:18:16 AM »
Hint (unbalanced reaction)
K3AlC6O12 + KMnO4 + H2SO4 = K2SO4 + Al2(SO4)3 + MnSO4 + CO2 + H2O
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Re: potassium trisethanedioatealuminate
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 07:50:36 AM »


If you have a hunk of crystals, and can heat without decomposing the compound, you can drive off the water, and weigh the loss.  Unless you're hungry for more titration, and can do a Karl Fisher titration.  But I've never been that hungry for a titration.
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The question just asks what the x is before the .H2O, we weren't told to do any further titrations, i'm clueless
Hint (unbalanced reaction)
K3AlC6O12 + KMnO4 + H2SO4 = K2SO4 + Al2(SO4)3 + MnSO4 + CO2 + H2O
i know i'm being stupid but it's sunday morning lol so once i balance the equation what does it tell me and how do i use it?

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