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Carnifex
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Acidity of COOH vs NH3R+
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August 07, 2008, 07:56:57 PM »
Just a quick question; I always thought carboxylic acids were more acidic than the ammonium cation group, but in my solution manual, it says the hydrogens on the
+
NH
3
R are more acidic than the hydrogen on the COOH. In the text it even says the pKa of COOH is greater than the ammonium ion, but yet still says the opposite in the solution manual. Is this just a mistake?
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Re: Acidity of COOH vs NH3R+
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August 07, 2008, 08:16:40 PM »
You can't just say NH3R is more acidic than COOH, it depends on what is attached to those groups. But for example, benzoic acid (Ph-COOH, 4.2pKa) is only slightly more acidic than an anilinium cation (Ph-NH3
+
, 4.6pKa)
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Re: Acidity of COOH vs NH3R+
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August 07, 2008, 08:46:14 PM »
Aniline is a very representative example because the basicity of the amine is greatly reduced by conjugation with the benzene ring. A more generalizable comparision is acetic acid (CH
3
CH
2
COOH pKa = 4.76) versus the ethylammonium cation (CH
3
CH
2
NH
3
+
, pKa = 10.7).
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Re: Acidity of COOH vs NH3R+
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August 07, 2008, 08:54:34 PM »
Ah I apologize. I forgot to mention that these two groups are together in the same compound. The exact compound is H
3
N
+
CH
2
COOH. The question was "which hydrogen is more acidic.
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Re: Acidity of COOH vs NH3R+
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August 07, 2008, 09:24:28 PM »
The carboxylic acid of glycine is significantly more acidic (lower pka) than the ammonium ion. pKa carboxylic acid: ~2.3. pKa ammonium cation: ~9.6
http://courses.cm.utexas.edu/jrobertus/ch339k/overheads-1/table_3-1.jpg
http://dbs.umt.edu/courses/fall2006/bioc380/lectures/008/images/aa-pkas.jpg
But, carboxylic acids are not
always
more acidic than ammonium cations. Like macman said, it depends on the substituents on both.
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