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Offline Frank Ose

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Question in chemical bonding
« on: September 20, 2008, 12:09:23 PM »
Which of the following organic molecules (s) contains (s) carbon atoms that are placed in the same plane?

1- C6H5CH3
2-CH3C---C-CH3 (--- is triple bond)
3- CH3CH2CH3

Can anyone explain this question explicitly to me?

Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008, 08:14:36 PM »
Hi there,
you know the number of carbon atoms on the same plane by counting the longest chain of carbon atoms of a Lewis structure/model.
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2008, 09:42:53 PM »
So the answer is obviously 2 and 3?

Their C atoms are all linked together.

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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008, 11:18:11 PM »
Usually carbon atoms will lie in the same plane if they are sp2 hybridized since sp2 hybridized atoms adopt trigonal planar geometries.  Molecules that adopt linear geometries also have coplanar carbons.

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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 04:28:28 AM »
you know the number of carbon atoms on the same plane by counting the longest chain of carbon atoms of a Lewis structure/model.

Assuming this approach cyclohexane will have 6 coplanar carbons. It has 4 at best.

Assuming this approach 2-methylpropene will have 3 coplanar carbons. It has 4.

So obviously something is wrong.
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 04:34:36 AM »
Can you expand on your point borek because i don't get it. cyclohexane have 4 coplanar carbon atoms because of the chair conformation? I don't understand why 2-methylpropene has 4 coplanar carbons?
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 05:00:18 AM »
cyclohexane have 4 coplanar carbon atoms because of the chair conformation?

Doesn't matter if it is chair or boat, there are 4 coplanar atoms and two sticking out, either on the same side or not.

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I don't understand why 2-methylpropene has 4 coplanar carbons?

Draw it. What is hybrydization of the central carbon?
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 05:51:43 AM »
hello,

what about half-chair conformation, where it has 5 coplanar carbon atoms? Or is it too unstable?

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Draw it. What is hybrydization of the central carbon?

it's sp2 hybridised, i got it thanks, i am really bad at visualizing.
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 06:49:44 AM »
what about half-chair conformation, where it has 5 coplanar carbon atoms? Or is it too unstable?

Generally speaking only chair is stable and it dominates in normal temperatures.

There exist also relatively stable twisted conformation, but it looks to me like it even doesn't have 4 coplanar carbons (but I am not sure). Still - there are no 6 coplanar carbons no matter how hard you try :)
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Re: Question in chemical bonding
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 02:22:22 AM »
It has been a long time since i last visited this thread.

Thanks for all the explanations, I'm assimilating them. :)

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