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Proposing mechanism
« on: November 02, 2008, 01:16:11 PM »
Please help me with this one? Also... did one of the O just disappeared?

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 01:42:04 PM »
Since you have an H+, start with protonation and then go from there  :)

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 02:36:04 PM »
I was thinking that maybe this quetion has something to do with formation of tetrahedral and a group gets kicked off when O reforms double bond. But I can't seemed to get teh O18 right.

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 04:17:12 PM »
2 things.  O18 does not scramble.  Can you draw a mechanism?  Second, an ether is not the byproduct.  A mechanism will do wonders here.

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008, 09:32:32 PM »
Thanks for the link. It's really useful. A quick question,when the methanol attacks the ester, do we have to show how CH3OH changes into CH3O-? Do we use a base B- to remove it?

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2008, 09:47:31 PM »
no negative charges in an acid catalyzed mechanism...
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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 09:59:25 PM »
that's what I thought... but then how do you remove the H? since you're attaching OCH3 to the ester to kick off the other group?

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2008, 10:00:04 PM »
Thanks for the link. It's really useful. A quick question,when the methanol attacks the ester, do we have to show how CH3OH changes into CH3O-? Do we use a base B- to remove it?
http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/chemistry/carey/student/olc/ch20reactionsesters.html Look at the mechanism for the Acid Catalyzed Hydrolysis of Esters.  Except, where you see H-OH, replace it with CH3-OH

Transesterification (the act of replacing one alkyl group for the ester with another) is just a form of hydrolysis where the attacking OH is an alcohol and not water.

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2008, 10:11:08 PM »
wow~ completely understood! THANKS EVERYONE!!! ;D

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 10:33:38 PM »
i just reawlized its tertiary carbon.. so wouldn't that involve a SN1 reaction or something?

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 11:27:48 PM »
You mean for the ester?  Follow the link here, to look at the special case of t-butyl ester cleavage.  It follows a slightly different mechanism for the exact reason that it is tertiary and forms a stable carbocation.

http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtTxtJml/suppmnt4.htm#top1

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Re: Proposing mechanism
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 11:45:24 PM »
hmm thaanks! I understand that part, but i'm trying to get the other product (the ester)

Does the methanol attack the carbonyl center, and then a leaving group leaves? but which one? because theres OH and O-

Would I add a H+ on the OH to make it H20 so it leaves?
Thanks.

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