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Offline aldoxime_amine

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Give the mechanism
« on: June 03, 2009, 02:15:44 PM »
Active methylene groups and the carbonyl seem to react with each other nicely. But with no acid catlyst elimination of water is difficult. The bridged reactant (bicyclo compound) has something to do with the water but I am not able to understand its role. Any reference or hint is sufficient.

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 02:27:49 PM »
You can do a base-catalysed condensation as well.
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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »
I suspect the reaction is merely catalytic in potassium carbonate.  The reaction is probably self-perpetuating.  pKa of diketones can be as low as 9 or so.

In my version, the bridged bicyclic diene doesn't play a role in the water extrusion process.

Do you know what the last step is likely to be?
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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 02:47:56 PM »
Probably double bond formation b/w the 2 benzenes (the one in conjugation with them)

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 04:41:49 AM »
For the last step, think Diels-Alder.

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 10:23:38 PM »
My friend, Justin, and I tried doing the mechanism for the reaction. We were able to generate product through these two steps:

1) Aldol Condensation (2x to remove 2H2O)
2) [4+2] Cycloaddition (Thermal Conditions) aka Diels-Alder Reaction

My friend suspected the aldol condensation since the product has four less hydrogens and two less oxygen atoms (which can be translated to two less water molecules) than the starting materials. Attached herein is the mechanism. Any comments on it would be highly appreciated. Have a nice day!

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 11:11:06 PM »
I believe that may be correct.  :)

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 11:24:10 PM »
Thank you very much. :)

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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 10:30:43 AM »
Attached herein is the mechanism. Any comments on it would be highly appreciated. Have a nice day!
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Re: Give the mechanism
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 10:43:07 AM »
your drawings are simply beautiful :-)

Wow. I've never heard that compliment from anybody before, thanks! I get very O.C. with my structures sometimes... That's one of the many reasons why I learned to love and enjoy Organic Chemistry. Though I'm a wee bit inclined to Biochemistry, bottom line is that it is still the Organic Chemistry of Biomolecules. I enjoy both. ;D Again, thank you, Squirmy.

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