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Offline simpleton

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First law of thermodynamics
« on: August 24, 2009, 05:48:33 AM »
Question:
1 mol of ideal gas undergoes an isothermal expansion at 300K from 1.00 atm to a final pressure while performing 200J of expansion work. Calculate the final pressure of the gas if the external pressure is 0.20atm.

My attempted answer:
As it is isothermal expansion of ideal gas it will be a reversible expansion. So i used this formular:
w = -nRT In(Pinitial/Pfinal)
-200J (since it is expansion) = - 1 (8.314) (300) x In (1/Pfinal)
0.08 = In 1/Pfinal
e 0.08 = 1/P final
1.08 = 1/P final
Hence P final = 1/1.08 = 0.92 atm

But the correct answer should be 0.71 atm. What have I done wrong here?

I really appreciate all the helps! and many thanks in advance!  :D

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Re: First law of thermodynamics
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 07:32:18 AM »
Remember that there's an external pressure of 0.20atm.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2009, 07:43:08 AM by MrTeo »
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Re: First law of thermodynamics
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 08:22:55 AM »
Hmm yeah. but i don't know what to do with that. Is it because it's a wrong formular? ???

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Re: First law of thermodynamics
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 11:30:15 AM »
Nope, everything's right... the only thing to change is the starting pressure of the gas. If there's an external pressure of 0.20atm the pressure of the ideal gas is more than 1atm (which is the total pressure).

So we'll have pgas=1.2atm and this pressure must be summed up with the final pressure too.
We'll have: exp(k)=(pgas)/(px+0.20).
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Re: First law of thermodynamics
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 11:17:34 PM »
oh man! :o i'm so dumb!  :-[ ughh!

THANKS A LOT! i guess i need to solve a lot more problems before i get my head clear with it. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!  :D

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Re: First law of thermodynamics
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 06:39:23 AM »
ohhh no dont say like that!!!..everyone needs to practice and everything need practice...never worry about it! good luck :)!

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