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Carbonic acid decomposition?
« on: December 01, 2009, 07:16:08 PM »
I'm given the following and asked to predict the reaction:

(2 Cl2 - H2O) + Na2CO3  :rarrow: ?

I guessed:

(2 Cl2 - H2O) + 2Na2CO3  :rarrow: NaCl + H2CO3

Apparently this isn't correct because H2CO3 decomposes as such:

H2CO3  :rarrow: H2O + CO2

Is there any way to predict the decomposition? Apparently it decomposes because decomposition is energetically favorable, but I'm not given and thermodynamic data and I think that's most likely beyond the scope of what I've been taught. Is it just something that I'm supposed to know?

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Re: Carbonic acid decomposition?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 09:22:39 PM »
I also have another question. Would the following occur or is it a non-reaction?

HCl (aq) + NaI (aq)  :rarrow: NaCl (aq) + HI (aq)

H+ + Cl- + Na+ + I-  :rarrow: Na+ + Cl- + H+ + Cl-

I remember reading that if all ions are spectator ions in a net ionic equation, then the reaction does not occur. But why is this? Wouldn't a reaction have to occur (as shown by the dissociated salt ions in solution after the reaction completes)?

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Re: Carbonic acid decomposition?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 02:50:57 AM »
I would say there is no reaction in both cases. Carbonic acid decomposes, but carbonates are quite stable, presence of strong oxidizing agent doesn't matter - there is no reducing agent present.

You have not shown (in the second case) that reaction HAVE to occur. You have juggled the order in which ions are listed (ignoring obvious mistake - transmutation of I- to Cl-) but nothing have changed.

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Re: Carbonic acid decomposition?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 05:41:16 AM »
It was pointed out to me (thanks AWK) that in fact in the first case something will happen, albeit slowly. Chlorine reacts slowly with water producing HCl and HOCl.

Both acids will react with carbonate, CO2 will left solution and equilibrium will shift to the right. Final solution will be mixture of NaCl/NaOCl/carbonate (relative amounts depending on the partiall pressure of CO2 above the solution).
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