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Solubility under non neutral conditions
« on: February 23, 2010, 03:49:53 PM »
Hello,

I found this wiki page with the solubility of a lot of compounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_table

These solubilities are all under neutral conditions. I would like to know if it is possible to calculate how the solubility would change if the pH would change.

For example Cu(I)2S has a solubility of 1.361E-15 (g/100 ml at 20 degrees Celsius).

How would this value change if the pH would be low (pH =1) for example? Is there a way to calculate or to estimate this?

I am interested in solubility at pH change in general. This is just an example :)

Thanks.

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Re: Solubility under non neutral conditions
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 05:06:18 PM »
Use Ka values to calculate what part of sulfide is in the S2- and HS- form, then remember that from mass balance concentration of copper is twice sum of concentrations of all forms of sulfide (S2-, HS- & H2S). That will give you a set of equations. "Just" solve.
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Re: Solubility under non neutral conditions
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 12:57:46 PM »
After some Internet research I found the following:

Cu2S(s) <--> 2Cu+ + S2- Ksp = 3×10-49

S2- + H2O <--> OH- + HS- Kb1 = 0.79

HS- + H2O <--> OH- + H2S Kb2 = 1.05×10-7

In your last post you've said: "then remember that from mass balance concentration of copper is twice sum of concentrations of all forms of sulfide"

The mass balance equation should become the following:

[Cu+] = 2[S2-] + 2[HS-] + 2[H2S]

but why? Why not:

[2Cu+] = [S2-] + [HS-] + [H2S]

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Re: Solubility under non neutral conditions
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 04:38:16 PM »
Think about dissolution stoichiometry.

Try some simpler example - 1M solution of Na2S. Ignore S2- hydrolysis. What is concentration of Na+? Of S2-? Which is twice the other?
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Re: Solubility under non neutral conditions
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 06:02:38 PM »
The concentration of sulfide is twice the sodium concentration. But it still confuses me..

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Re: Solubility under non neutral conditions
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 06:40:33 PM »
The concentration of sulfide is twice the sodium concentration. But it still confuses me..

Is it? 1M Na2S solution contains 2M Na+ and 1M S2-.
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