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Thiocyanide synthesis; question about acid salts
« on: May 16, 2010, 03:33:01 PM »
Hello!
I have two questions to ask, but I didn't want to create two threads, so I made only one.

Firstly, I have a project I need some advice on. I am trying to create "fake blood" ([Fe(NCS)(H2O)5]2+) with NaSCN and FeCl3 by only using simple chemicals, which can easily be bought. Ordering NaSCN, KSCN or NH4SCN from EBay or somewhere else would just be boring, wouldn't it. :)

So... Making FeCl3 should be fairly easy - electrolyse NaCl solution (car battery charger + iron nails) to get chlorine and direct it over hot iron filings. Then I could just dissolve the chloride in water and one component of the reaction is mine.

Synthesising NaSCN is a bit more complicated. I'm thinking the best way is to heat some baking soda in a crucible with a propane or butane torch until I get Na2O. Then mix in some carbon and heat more. The reaction should be as follows:
Na2O + C + N2 -> NaCN + CO
The thing is, I am not sure about this reaction, is it even possible? Anyway, assuming it is, converting NaCN to NaSCN should be as easy as heating it with S8.

What I'm asking is that is this possible and if not, how would I pursue it?

The second question is a request for an explanation. My chemistry teacher told me, that metal + hydroxide reaction cannot yield an acid salt. I researched it a bit, but did not find much. My question is that why not?

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Re: Thiocyanide synthesis; question about acid salts
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 03:07:31 AM »
So... Making FeCl3 should be fairly easy - electrolyse NaCl solution (car battery charger + iron nails) to get chlorine and direct it over hot iron filings. Then I could just dissolve the chloride in water and one component of the reaction is mine.

To get Fe3+ just dissolve iron in any acid and aerate the solution. Air oxygen should do the trick.
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Re: Thiocyanide synthesis; question about acid salts
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 06:22:23 AM »
KSCN, NASCN or NH4SCN are relatively cheap and quite safe reagents, but their synthesis is much more complex than show by you in reaction scheme (moreover synthesis is extremely dangerous).
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