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Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« on: November 28, 2010, 01:26:00 AM »
Can anybody tell me what reagents would be required to obtain the product from the starting molecule.
( i have attached a picture of the reaction)

I would appreciate any explanations or hints
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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 01:51:49 AM »
The first thing to do is disconnect the final product in a position where bond formation takes place. Once you've determined where the bond is formed, decide what part of the molecule could function as a nucleophile, and conversely what part could function as an electrophile. For instance, if you were to designate the alpha-carbon off the carbonyl as the nucleophile, what could make that carbon nucleophillic? Reason it through.

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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 11:24:40 AM »
Can anybody tell me what reagents would be required to obtain the product from the starting molecule.
( i have attached a picture of the reaction)

I would appreciate any explanations or hints
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Think about the acidity of the hydrogens on the ketone methyl group
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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 10:01:10 AM »
Br-R is more reactive than -COCH3 under alkaline conditions.
it is impossible to get the target compound from the materials you mentioned.

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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 10:26:27 AM »
Br-R is more reactive than -COCH3 under alkaline conditions.
it is impossible to get the target compound from the materials you mentioned.


No it is not. Use a strong non-nucleophillic base to deprotonate an  alpha methyl hydrogen, you get the enolate of the ketone which will cyclise onto the bromide
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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 11:15:40 AM »
is it necessary to use only one step?

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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 11:40:31 AM »
is it necessary to use only one step?

You deprotonate at -78°C, stir 30 mins or so then let it warm slowly to -20 - 0°C. If the solvent is THF or ether you should see a ppt of the bromide of the cation, usually Na. As base I would use sodium or potassium hexamethyldisilazide (M+(NTMS2)-. You can also use lithium 2,2,6,6,tetramethylpiperidide.
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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 11:57:36 AM »
would CH3O- work as reagent for this reaction ?

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Re: Ring-Closing carbonyl chemistry
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 12:39:29 PM »
would CH3O- work as reagent for this reaction ?

Probably not a strong enough base. And you will get side reactions, displacement of bromide or elimination of HBr. Which is why I specified a non-nucleophillic base.
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