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Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« on: September 10, 2011, 03:12:39 PM »
Strange question, just curious-- how could I separate one molecule of water and store it in a vial?

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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2011, 04:04:27 PM »
Do you want to take one individual molecule of water, separate it from the bulk liquid, and store it in a vial?

You might be able to do some sort of statistical dilution of water vapor, but I don't imagine it would be very easy or reliable. Furthermore, the difficulty would be compounded by the ubiquitousness of water in the enviroment, so you would need some specialized equipment to keep extraneous water out of your system. Finally, it wouldn't really look like anything more than an empty vial.
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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2011, 10:31:02 PM »
Thank you. I have no chemistry background though I'm somewhat versed. Could you explosn a statistical dilution of water vapor in laymens terms? It sounds like it's impractical without equipment but I'm still curious about what something like that would entail.

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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2011, 10:49:40 PM »
*explain

and yes I want to have a vial containing 1 molecule of water. It's
conceptual, no scientific application.

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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2011, 08:39:01 AM »
What else do you want in the vial? Total vacuum? Perfectly dry (well, except for the one water molecule) air? Some sort of solvent, like ether, methanol, DMF?

A statistical dilution simply means diluting a known number of molecules until statistically there is only one in your volume. For example, a sample of water weighing 18.015 g (1 mole), would have 6.023x1023 molecules, and at standard temperature and pressure (assuming it behaves as an ideal gas) would occupy 22.4 liters. If you take 2.24 liters out of that, and expand it to 22.4 liters, you have diluted it ten-fold, and now have 6.023x1022 molecules. Rinse and repeat until you are down to 1 molecule.

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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 02:30:32 PM »
A statistical dilution simply means diluting a known number of molecules until statistically there is only one in your volume. For example, a sample of water weighing 18.015 g (1 mole), would have 6.023x1023 molecules, and at standard temperature and pressure (assuming it behaves as an ideal gas) would occupy 22.4 liters. If you take 2.24 liters out of that, and expand it to 22.4 liters, you have diluted it ten-fold, and now have 6.023x1022 molecules. Rinse and repeat until you are down to 1 molecule.

While in a way you are right, assuming water is gas at STP is rather unusual.
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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2011, 03:14:31 PM »
Sometimes, chemists do isolate and visualize a single atom or ion, and I assume molecule, although I haven't heard of that one.  Such things make great photos, and you'll hear about them on the news, or read about them in Popular Science, or Scientific American, or Discovery or other such magazine sources.  These sorts of things are cool, but I don't pay a lot of attention to them, because like you've said, there isn't a lot of practical use.  So I can only give you the above hints to where to look, not specifics.  Thing is, those visualizations of trapped single atoms are happening deep inside a large expensive machine, using high powered laser and magnetic fields and things like that.  What you're asking for, a single molecule, in a pressurized gas or a vacuum, in a vial, that you can hold -- I don't think that's been done.
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Re: Possible to separate one molecule from water?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 04:28:17 AM »
I think this water molecule will be in gas form, it can't make H-bonds alone.

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