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HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« on: October 16, 2011, 12:01:41 PM »
50ml .1M HNO2
5ml .1M NaOH

To get pH

pH = -log(7.1*10^-4) + log [ .0091 / .00818]
pH = 3.2

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 01:40:41 PM »
I'm also getting 2.18 but the book answer is 2.38, which I can't get

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 03:44:44 PM »
Book is right.

.0091 / .00818

Explain where did you get these numbers from.
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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 05:21:54 PM »
HA = [ (50*.1) - (5*.1) ] / 55 = .00818
A- = [ 5*.1] / 55 = .0091

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 05:23:28 PM »
Are you sure that the concentration of ha and a- are those values? What is the relationship between the two species?

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 05:27:34 PM »
The Ka would be a relationship. so are you saying

7.1*10^-4 =( [H+][A-] ) / (.00818)  with [H+] = [A-] ?

maybe [A-] = .0024?

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 05:44:04 PM »
If hno2 is ha, what is a-?

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 05:52:02 PM »
NO2 -
so the overall equation is..

HNO2 + NaOH = H2O + NaNO2

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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 06:02:03 PM »
HA = [ (50*.1) - (5*.1) ] / 55 = .00818
A- = [ 5*.1] / 55 = .0091

Your approach is correct, unfortunately, acid is too strong for the approximation you are using. Concentration of A- is higher than expected, as acid is not only neutralized, but also further dissociates on its own.
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Re: HH equation HNO2 NaOH
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 06:06:53 PM »
right, so after it neutralizes, it will also go back to hno2, that is when you use the ka value and calculate for the final equilibrium concentrations of no2 and hno2, or a- and ha for the hh equation.

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