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Offline Jorge Stolfi

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Lead carbide?
« on: December 29, 2011, 12:54:59 PM »
Lead carbide officially does not exist (indeed lead is believed to be one of the few metals that do not form carbide).  Attempts to obtain it by combining Pb and C directly or by pyrolysis of organinc Pd salts have met with failure.

Yet those failures may mean only that lead carbide is unstable and decomposes below 200-300 C. Indeed there are a couple of dubious reports of a lead acetylide PbC2 being formed at lower temperatures:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_carbide

I wonder if there has been any followup on those reports?

One of the reports claims that a micron-thin layer of PbC2 was detected at the interface between graphite and a Pb-Bi alloy after very slow cooling. Which might be perhaps the result of trace amounts of some C-containing gas reacting with solid Pb?

The other alleged route, from calcium acetylide CaC2 + Pb salt, is dubious because CaC2 is decomposed by water into Ca(OH)2 and acetylene, which does not ionize.  (Could the "lead carbide" thus formed be just a calcium/lead hydoxide or something of the sort?)

Yet, I wonder whether there is any polar but aprotic solvent (like propylene carbonate) that will dissolve CaC2 or some other acetylide as a salt Ca2+ + C22-, without formation of acetylene; even if only in trace amounts.  That may be enough to test the second PbC2 claim.

If an unstable lead acetylide does exist, could be formed by electro- or photoexcitation of gaseous mixtures of acetylene and volatile organometallic Pb compounds?


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Re: Lead carbide?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 12:50:07 AM »
It seems that CaC2 is quite soluble in certain fused salts, including lithium halides, CaCl2, BaCl2, and mixtures thereof:

  W A Barber and C L Sloan (1961) http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/j100828a025

The lowest temperature reported therein is LiCl-LiF-LiH eutectic, with m.p. 454 °C; it dissolves CaC2 at about 3% molar.  That is still higher than the melting point of lead (327.46 °C) and hence probably high enough to decompose the hypothetical PbC2.  (Indeed, that paper reports that attempts to dissolve CaC2 in molten PbCl2 resulted in reduction of the latter to metallic Pb.)

So perhaps there are other fused salts (or ionic liquids) that will dissolve CaC2 at lower temperatures?  Or perhaps other acetylides, such as MgC2 or Li2C2?

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