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Offline Svarec

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Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« on: November 28, 2016, 03:54:50 PM »
Hello,

I've got set a certain oscillation (vibration) frequency f1 at base level for HeH+ molecul (atoms are the most common isotopes). How do I calculate oscillation frequency f1' for 3He2H+? Is it as simple as f11 = f1'/μ2 where μ is reduced mass or is it more complex than that? Frequncy of the original molecule is the only thing set.

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2016, 04:59:49 AM »
Well, what is the formula for the frequency of a harmonic oscillator? How does it depend on the reduced mass?

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2016, 12:18:50 PM »
I know its ω = (k/μ)1/2 but can I just assume the "k" is the same for both cases?

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2016, 12:34:13 PM »
Yes, but you can't assume f11 = f1'2 , can you?

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2016, 03:56:59 PM »
Yeah, I spewed that out without much thinking. I didn't know I could use that formula for frequency because I assumed "k" would change too. But I see it now. Thanks for help.

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 04:59:56 AM »
Just a caution - the formula applies to the true harmonic frequency ωe. Because of anharmonicity, the observed transition frequency ω0 may be somewhat different, and an apparent k derived from this frequency will vary slightly between isotopomers. Check whether your data are ω0 (observed) or ωe (derived by applying anharmonicity correction).

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Re: Oscillation frequencies of molecules with another isotopes
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016, 10:23:19 AM »
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I know its ω = (k/μ)1/2 but can I just assume the "k" is the same for both cases?

the k between different isotopes is the same withing the Born-Oppenheimer Approximation, meaning that the nuclear dynamics does not influence the electronic structure. in other words: there is no coupling between the electronic and the vibrational level. In other words: the vibrational frequencies are much lower than the electronic frequencies.

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