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Offline eddzzz

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How the distribution of species is affected.
« on: March 18, 2012, 02:14:24 PM »
Hey guys. I'm a little stuck on this little question. I've plotted a distribution diagram of phosphoric acid already and I have three values of pKa's.

If I add an 0.1M of Ca3(PO4)2 (calcium phosphate) to 0.1M of phosphoric acid what affect will this have on the distribution of the species. I am given the Ksp for Ca3(PO4)2 which is 1.3x10^26.

I have no idea what to do from this.

Any advice would be great. Cheers

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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 03:29:17 PM »
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3 different phosphates of calcium are known. CaHPO4 is also poorly soluble.
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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 01:10:13 PM »
Have you thought of Le Chatelier's principal? Increasing the conc. of PO4 will shift the equilibrium....with Ca being an inert spectator ion.

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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 01:29:35 PM »
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If I add an 0.1M of Ca3(PO4)2 (calcium phosphate)
You can add 0.1 mole solid salt (poorly soluble) or ~10-5 M solution. After mixing you can expext reaction.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 02:17:42 PM by Borek »
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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 02:17:18 PM »
Increasing the conc. of PO4 will shift the equilibrium....with Ca being an inert spectator ion.

Ca2+ is neither inert nor spectator in the presence of phosphoric acid.
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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 10:26:14 AM »
Cheers for all the replies.

Ok I know that the calcium phosphate (Ca3(PO4)2) is poorly soluble because of its low Ksp. What reaction would I expect. I've looked everywhere on triprotic acids and the effect of poorly soluble salts and can't find anything.

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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 11:59:23 AM »
Depending on amount of phoshoric acid you can expect also CaHPO4, Ca(H2PO4)2
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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 10:56:57 AM »
Still struggling with this. I presume I have to do some sort of calculation that includes the Ksp to see how the distribution is affected.  

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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 02:15:07 PM »

If I add an 0.1M of Ca3(PO4)2 (calcium phosphate) to 0.1M of phosphoric acid
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This is insufficient and incorrect information.
 0.1M of Ca3(PO4)2 impossible concentration - calcium phospate form at least solution  ~10-6 M

0.1M of phosphoric acid - volume is missing
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Re: How the distribution of species is affected.
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2012, 09:14:59 AM »
Hmm thanks. Cheers for your efforts. I'll skip tht question then

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