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Reaction mechanism help?
« on: April 23, 2012, 04:10:52 PM »
I am really struggling with this reaction mechanism below, please can someone give me some tips, i would really appreciate it :-\

i have identified in the product a cyclic 1,4-diketone....not sure if that helps much though :(

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 05:15:00 PM »
What would happen if you protonate the nitrogen?
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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 06:05:42 PM »
What would happen if you protonate the nitrogen?

it would form a nitrillium ion...then would i be able to hydrolysis it to a carboxylic acid ? if so what could i do next :/

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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 06:44:59 PM »
What would happen if you protonate the nitrogen?

it would form a nitrillium ion...then would i be able to hydrolysis it to a carboxylic acid ? if so what could i do next :/

What could you convert the carboxylic acid to that would enable you use AlCl3?
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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 06:50:12 PM »
What would happen if you protonate the nitrogen?

it would form a nitrillium ion...then would i be able to hydrolysis it to a carboxylic acid ? if so what could i do next :/

What could you convert the carboxylic acid to that would enable you use AlCl3?

An acid chloride but i am not given Alcl3 in the reaction

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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 10:16:04 PM »

it would form a nitrillium ion...then would i be able to hydrolysis it to a carboxylic acid ? if so what could i do next :/

Do you think a nitrilium ion might be an aza equivalent to an acylium ion?
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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
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Re: Reaction mechanism help?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 01:39:08 PM »
My point was that if an acylium ion can undergo an electrophilic attack, then a nitrilium ion might react in the same way. Had the poster tried that analogy, they would have been one step from their product.
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