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Offline rose9090

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I have the choice of normal-phase, reversed-phase, ion exchange, and size exclusion to pick from. I chose size exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes because alkanes typically have the same relative polarity so normal and reverse phase would be completely out of the question. Ion-exchange is only usefulto separate ions.

I chose size exclusion because the alkanes are of different sizes so they should be able to have a gradient of separation, with the larger ones coming out first.

i just want to know if my information is correct here?

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Re: Can i use size-exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2012, 10:18:54 PM »
I would recheck the actual sizes of different alkanes, and compare them to the separation resolutions possible with size exclusion resins.  I suspect you're going to be disappointed.
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Re: Can i use size-exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2012, 10:22:43 PM »
i was a little iffy about size-exclusion but i don't see which other technique i can use. Gas chromatography would have helped but thats not an option right now

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Re: Can i use size-exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 07:52:01 AM »
That really depends on the mixture of alkanes you are trying to separate. When molecules are very similar, it is hard to separate them by any means. However, there is quite a bit of difference in polarity on a TLC scale between, say, cyclohexane and n-octane. Normal-phase chromatography, using silica gel and a very non polar eluent like pet ether is probably your best choice.

The worst problem with trying to separate alkanes, especially low molecular weight alkanes, is their volatility. They tend to evaporate off the plate before you can detect them. Stripping the solvent off can also be a major issue, because you strip away the product as well. And since they don't have UV chromaphores or reactive functional groups, detecting them can also be a problem.

Size-exclusion chromatography, as far as I know, is really only useful for macromolecular separations - when you are working with natural polymers (like proteins) or synthetic polymers. I speak under correction here - perhaps someone with more experience on size-exclusion chromatography would like to weigh in? The size difference between a 20 kDa protein and an 18 kDa protein is much more significant on a size exclusion column than the size difference between a sic-carbon alkane and an 8-carbon alkane, regardless of the structure.

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Re: Can i use size-exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 08:03:39 AM »
The size difference between a 20 kDa protein and an 18 kDa protein is much more significant on a size exclusion column than the size difference between a sic-carbon alkane and an 8-carbon alkane, regardless of the structure.

Yes, examine this point.  What are the real sizes of each of these molecules?  You'll see how size exclusion won't work at all.
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Re: Can i use size-exclusion to separate a mixture of alkanes?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 09:19:22 AM »
Definitely you cant use size exclusion. Partition chromatography will be best.

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