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Offline sodium.dioxid

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Making Sense of Disocciation Constant (Ka)
« on: May 07, 2012, 07:04:42 PM »
Ka = [H+][A-]/[HA]

Why is it necessary to have both [H+] and [A-] on the numerator? It seems like we could have done just as fine using the definition "Ka=[A-]/[HA]" or "Ka=[H+]/[HA]" instead of "Ka=[H+][A-]/[HA]". Am I missing something?

Also, does [H+] include the hydronium ions that existed in water before the acid was added? Or is it exclusively the hydronium ions produced by the acid?

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Re: Making Sense of Disocciation Constant (Ka)
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 01:39:08 AM »
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Why is it necessary to have both [H+] and [A-] on the numerator? It seems like we could have done just as fine using the definition "Ka=[A-]/[HA]" or "Ka=[H+]/[HA]" instead of "Ka=[H+][A-]/[HA]". Am I missing something?

Well, maybe that plan could plausibly somehow work out for acid-base equilibrium, but for a general reaction how would you make the judgement call to simply ignore a product? Also, that plan would only work if there was no initial concentration of product already in solution. What if you added a weak acid to an already acidic solution? It would dissociate less because of the ambient [H+] concentration. In that case, you'd need to factor in the ambient [H+] somehow into your equilibrium.

The [H+] concentration does include it technically, but consider how small the ambient [H+] concentration is in pure water: it's something around 1*10-7 M. Usually, when you are adding acid or base, they increase or decrease [H+] by a way larger amount than the ambient concentration, so the ambient concentration is essentially insignificant. When you are dealing with highly dilute solutions of weak acids where the [H+] added by the acid is comparable to the ambient [H+] concentration, then you have to take it into effect.

The law for making equilibrium constants and expressions is called the Law of Mass Action. There are a plethora of internet resources describing it if you wish to delve into the nitty gritty parts.  :)
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Re: Making Sense of Disocciation Constant (Ka)
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 01:28:01 AM »
If you want to see reaction equilibria rigorously one must appeal to thermodynamics. Have you taken thermo?

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