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Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« on: June 23, 2012, 06:57:50 PM »
Hi,

I am thinking about different strategies to synthesize one building block. I want to do the following reaction:

R-OMs + MgBrCF2PO3H2  ----> R-CF-PO3H2

So, I would say that difluoro derivative attack the R (which is an alkyl chain) forming the corresponding C-C bond.

Do u think that is possible? or probably the R chain (alkyl) is not enough EWG to allow the reaction?


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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 07:13:10 PM »
That is an unusual nucleophile.  it contains a phosphoric acid type- moiety, which would not be tolerated under Grignard conditions (highly basic).  Also, Grigrards aren't very good for Sn2 Reactions.     

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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »
I wonder whether a cross-coupling strategy could be employed here.

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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 10:51:34 PM »
Even phosphonic acid esters -PO3R'2 are bad substrates for Grignards. The ester groups exchange with Grignard alkyl group and you end up with phosphine oxides.
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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 11:11:57 PM »
Hi,

I am thinking about different strategies to synthesize one building block. I want to do the following reaction:

R-OMs + MgBrCF2PO3H2  ----> R-CF-PO3H2

So, I would say that difluoro derivative attack the R (which is an alkyl chain) forming the corresponding C-C bond.

Do u think that is possible? or probably the R chain (alkyl) is not enough EWG to allow the reaction?



If you have access to a [protected] derivative of CHF2PO3H2, why not just try deprotonation with strong base and displacement of the mesylate, in a polar aprotic solvent such as DMF? Not sure if there will be preferential attack on the phosphorus, but perhaps worth a shot.

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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 10:00:47 AM »
This is chemistry I am unfamiliar with. In such a situation, this would be my normal operating procedure.
  • I would first review as much chemistry as necessary to learn how RCFnPO3R2 have been synthesized. The norm that I expect is the most productive chemistry will be repeated most frequently.
  • I'd begin filtering through to try to find other strategies and how effective they are.  
  • I'd begin to search for new reaction types, of which I'd consider this Grignard type reaction an example.

I presume the posted example is an hypothetical reaction as I would not expect a C-Mg bond to resist protonation by a phosphonic acid. None the less, even this can be a searchable item, a C-Mg and any OH bond together (I'm excluding examples where the OH becomes O-Mg by an excess of reagent). Then you can replace magnesium with other atoms, will these replacements catalyze the reaction you are attempting, etc.

This is what I suspect. Carbon-carbon bond formation can be done with a variety of ways and will give a lot of variety. Even so, if you are methodical, you can even write these as R(+), R•, and R(-) strategies and search for each. Eventually, I think this will fall into two different chemistry groups, fluorine and phosphonic acids. One of those chemistry categories will be the most compatible with your objective.
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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 11:43:23 AM »
Hi,

I am thinking about different strategies to synthesize one building block. I want to do the following reaction:

R-OMs + MgBrCF2PO3H2  ----> R-CF-PO3H2

So, I would say that difluoro derivative attack the R (which is an alkyl chain) forming the corresponding C-C bond.

Do u think that is possible? or probably the R chain (alkyl) is not enough EWG to allow the reaction?



If you have access to a [protected] derivative of CHF2PO3H2, why not just try deprotonation with strong base and displacement of the mesylate, in a polar aprotic solvent such as DMF? Not sure if there will be preferential attack on the phosphorus, but perhaps worth a shot.

Attack at the P atom depends of the esters. Obviously if it is a methyl attack is easy as compared to say isopropyl.
I am not even sure that such phosphonate species are known.
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Re: Is Mesylate a good leaving group for this reaction?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 06:24:53 PM »
Here I found some literature about it:

http://www.mendeley.com/research/efficient-scaledup-synthesis-nfmoc4phosphonodifluoromethyllphenylalanine-incorporation-peptides/#page-1

J. Org. Chem., Vol. 61, No. 14, 1996

Such phosphate esters are comercially available:

For example one can use HCF2PO(OEt)2 and LDA as a strong base to then attack a carbonyl and generate the corresponding:

R-CH2CH2CHO + HCF2PO(OEt)2 ---> R-CH2CH2COH-CF2PO(OEt)2

Or as alternative, just add Tf2O to the alkyl alcohol and then nucleophilic displacement with LiCF2PO(OEt)2.

What I am just worried is about the stability of Fmoc-NH or carboxylic acid without protection against such conditions...

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