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Potential of a reacion from the potentials of other 2 reactions
« on: December 23, 2012, 12:28:00 PM »
Thallium exists in two different oxidation states: Tl+ and Tl3+. The standard redox potentials for some relevant reactions are:
Tl+(aq) + e– → Tl(s) Eº1 = – 0.336 V
Tl3+(aq) + 3e– → Tl(s) Eº2 = + 0.728 V
Calculate the redox potential Eº3 for the following reactions: Tl3+(aq) + 2 e– → Tl+(aq).

I converted those potentials to equilibrium constants and K=K2/K1 then I converted this constant back to potential and I got 1.26V which is the answer. Why don't I get the same result when I deduct Eº1 from Eº2 (like when I am using enthalpies)?

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Re: Potential of a reacion from the potentials of other 2 reactions
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 05:32:12 PM »
I don't think reduction potential works like that just by virtue of how it is.

You can do a couple things to solve for the new potential. One is like what you did, and another is using Gibb's free energy calculations.

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Re: Potential of a reacion from the potentials of other 2 reactions
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2012, 01:51:51 AM »
Exactly. ΔG° = nFE°
The number of moles of electrons being transferred is not the same in these reactions. So, the E°'s are not additive. It's always better to convert the E° values to ΔG° values and do the usual algebra. That way, it is less confusing and less error-prone
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Re: Potential of a reacion from the potentials of other 2 reactions
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 08:36:15 AM »
To prove this to myself I actually did some maths. As the potential at the equilibrium is 0, the standard potentials are equal:
1=RT*lnK1/(z1F) (I usually mark the number of electrons with z)
2=RT*lnK2/(z2F)
2-Eº1=RT*ln(K2z1/K1z2):(z1z2F)
The new equilibrium constant should be K2/K1 and not K2z1/K1z2, so really, the number of electrons makes it not additive. Thanks to you two for the help. I usually do this by converting the potentials to eq. constants, but converting it to Gibb's energy and do it like for the enthalpies is good, too.

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Re: Potential of a reacion from the potentials of other 2 reactions
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2012, 09:16:59 AM »
Yeah. The reason I referred to the Gibbs' energy pathway is because we're used to adding thermodynamic heats/enthalpies/energies and that will not cause any confusion, since they are expressed in J/mol or kJ/mol. Hence you know that you need to multiply the quantity by number of moles to get the total heat/enthalpy/energy
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