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How to distinguish the two structure
« on: May 24, 2013, 09:17:36 PM »
I want to synthesis a impurity of 2-amino-4-(hydroxymethylphosphinyl)butyric acid(CAS:51276-47-2) the stucture is that


I want to know how to distinguish it from the  isomer that show as below by HNMR


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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 03:30:00 AM »
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This will be most likely moved to Organic Chemistry anyway.
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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 11:30:09 AM »
there are structures.

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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2013, 11:43:48 AM »
Could you use something like 31P NMR? Or how stable is the chiral centre at the phosphorous - in the undesired it seems to be quite labile to racemisation to my mind - is the amino acid of a defined chirality?

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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 12:57:03 PM »
Hint: In 1H NMR, what will the CH2 of the ethyl group couple to in your target? What about for the isomer? Look for a difference.
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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2013, 09:30:19 AM »
I synthesised a production but i can't sure its real structure is 'target' or 'isomer'.I want to know the CH2 in HNMR distinguish of these two compounds

The 31P NMR is unobtainable and the structure is achirality

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Re: How to distinguish the two structure
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2013, 10:15:36 AM »
I want to know the CH2 in HNMR distinguish of these two compounds

Hint: In 1H NMR, what will the CH2 of the ethyl group couple to in your target? What about for the isomer? Look for a difference.

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the structure is achirality

Both structures are chiral. Do you mean racemic? Racemic ≠ achiral.
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