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Offline trinitrotoluene

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Converting from d.r. to relative rates
« on: September 23, 2013, 07:58:36 PM »
Hopefully this is in the right forum, if not my apologies.

I am currently studying the Eyring equation. I am caught up on what seems to be a seemingly easy conversion going to d.r. to relative rates.

ka/kb     -     d.r.
2:1              66.6:33.3
10:1             91:9
100:1           99:1
10000:1        99.95:0.05

The first one makes perfect sense on going to d.r. to relative rates but I am not sure how the others were determined. Does anyone have a link on how to make this conversion or can explain it? I think I may just be getting caught up with rounding.

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Re: Converting from d.r. to relative rates
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 08:49:04 PM »
I'd say that you're right - focus on the exact number is confusing you.

Try thinking in fractions:
A 2:1 ratio of ka:kb leads to 2/3 of a and 1/3 of b - hence 66.6% a and 33.3% b or 66.6:33.3 a:b
10:1 leads to 10/11 of a and 1/11 of b - 90.90:9.09, which is approximately 91:9
100:1 leads to 100/101 of a and 1/101 of b - 99.01:0.99, which is approximately 99:1

And so on.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Converting from d.r. to relative rates
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 09:13:31 PM »
I'd say that you're right - focus on the exact number is confusing you.

Try thinking in fractions:
A 2:1 ratio of ka:kb leads to 2/3 of a and 1/3 of b - hence 66.6% a and 33.3% b or 66.6:33.3 a:b
10:1 leads to 10/11 of a and 1/11 of b - 90.90:9.09, which is approximately 91:9
100:1 leads to 100/101 of a and 1/101 of b - 99.01:0.99, which is approximately 99:1

This is exactly what I needed. thank you.

And so on.

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Re: Converting from d.r. to relative rates
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 08:31:45 PM »
I thought I had this figured out, and I kind of do. Given the relative rates, I can go to d.r using the fraction method previously described. But given the d.r. how could u find the relative rates?

If given d.r. = 93:7, how would you determine the relative rates?

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Re: Converting from d.r. to relative rates
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 10:15:38 PM »
I'd simply divide the larger by the smaller number, giving you the relative rates (or ka relative to kb).

So, 93 / 7 = 13.3:1 (call it 13:1)

As a check, convert that back to d.r. by our previous method:
13/14 x 100 = 92.8 and 1/14 x 100 = 7.1, which rounds off to 93:7!

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