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benzoic acid, benzil and 1,4-Dibromobenzene
« on: October 24, 2013, 08:17:58 PM »
I need to separate and purify two components of a mixture containing 50% benzoic acid, 40% benzil and 10% 1,4-Dibromobenzene. I believe that I can add ether to dissolve the benzoic acid and benzil to a homogenous mixture and then add NaOH to cause the benzoic acid to form a benzoate anion that is water soluble. This will cause the solution to separate into layers. I then extract the aqueous layer and boil off the ether leaving the benzoic acid behind. By adding HCL it will crystallize. How do I proceed from here to separate and purify the benzil mixed with 1,4-Dibromobenzene?

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Re: benzoic acid, benzil and 1,4-Dibromobenzene
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2013, 06:22:52 PM »
I've never actually encountered this problem in a lab so I can't say for sure. The usual sophomore lab experiment involves using an acid, an amine base and another relatively non polar compound that is neither basic nor acidic. Addition of dilute acid could surely be used to pull the amine phase into water in this case.

You're on the right track with using base to put the acid into water. At that point we're dealing with Benzil vs. Dibromobenzene. There is a significant difference in polarity between these two compounds. A reasonable suggestion would be combining a very non polar solvent (Perhaps diethyl ether) with a more polar organic solvent such as DMSO or DMF. Dibromobenzene might go into the diethyl ether, while benzil might prefer the more polar solvent. And I'm pretty sure DMSO and Diethylether do not mix due to their very different polarities. I don't know for sure what solvent combination would be best, though.

The other possibility would be that the ketone portion of benzil might form a stable protonated product like an amine, in which case you could pull it into water with dilute acid.

Sorry if you knew this already and just wanted a specific, definite answer. Those are just educated guesses.

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Re: benzoic acid, benzil and 1,4-Dibromobenzene
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2013, 10:03:18 PM »
I need to separate and purify two components of a mixture containing 50% benzoic acid, 40% benzil and 10% 1,4-Dibromobenzene. I believe that I can add ether to dissolve the benzoic acid and benzil to a homogenous mixture and then add NaOH to cause the benzoic acid to form a benzoate anion that is water soluble. This will cause the solution to separate into layers. I then extract the aqueous layer and boil off the ether leaving the benzoic acid behind. By adding HCL it will crystallize. How do I proceed from here to separate and purify the benzil mixed with 1,4-Dibromobenzene?
There is a big difference in the boiling point of the two compounds due to difference in polarity.Can we use this information to separate them?
we can also use some chemical reaction also to separate it from dibrombenzene.

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