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Offline shrikantvarma

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demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« on: June 22, 2010, 01:21:42 PM »
I have done demethylation of substituited methoxy benzene by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture (3:1) ratio
the process is working very well as compare to other reagents can anybody explain me what is role of thiorea in above combination?

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Re: demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 05:43:19 PM »
It's the nucleophile.
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Re: demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 10:24:48 PM »
Thiourea is acting like a weak nucleophile, just like a RSH, and attacking the CH3 group.
(Thiourea has two resonance forms as far as I know thiourea and isothiourea. The later has a positive charge on the sulfur atom, and a negative on one of the nitrogen atom.)

The reaction basically is AlCl3 -> electrons on oxygen of ether group
-> AlCl3 (-)-RO (+) CH3  ->  AlCl3 (-)-RO (+)  +  H4N2-C-S-CH3      ->  add HCL -> AlCl3 + ROH
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Demethylation by using BBr3
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2014, 05:19:12 AM »
Dear All,
I am trying demethylation using BBr3. substrate also contaion O-Bn, O- Bz, conjugated ester groups. I need an advice in this regard.

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Re: Demethylation by using BBr3
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2014, 09:47:12 AM »

I am trying demethylation using BBr3. substrate also contaion O-Bn, O- Bz, conjugated ester groups. I need an advice in this regard.

Although I would expect debenzylation to also occur, I don't know the selectivity. All reactions or virtually all reactions can be shown to have at least slightly different rates. If you simply attempt the dealkylation with one equivalent if BBr3, I would be surprised to find 50.0:50.0 ratio of deMe:deBn. (I would have thought debenzylation to be faster, but I do not have real knowledge or experience.)
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Re: demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2014, 03:28:44 PM »
BBr3 can be very brutal, and without knowing how sensitive your molecule is, I'd hesitate to offer any specific suggestions. You may find something useful by looking through a book on carbohydrate chemistry. Just about every demethylation procedure known has been through the hands of sugar chemists.
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Re: demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 05:50:06 PM »
Lennox,
I am a PhD student, but as you said, this is touchy stuff.  I've never tried to this.  Is there a good way to "de-methoxylate"?  If you are uncomfortable sharing on the forum, PM me, as I think you may be the only one with this knowledge?  Do you always end with an alcohol or can you end with just a hydrogen?
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Re: demethylation by using AlCl3/thiourea mixture
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 09:06:56 PM »
I was reading the patent: http://www.google.com/patents/EP1831144A2?cl=en

They are pretty broad (obviously  :)) about the ratio of substrate to thiourea.

I assume the ratio of substrate to thiourea is 1:1
Is this correct?

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