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Desulfonation of benzenesulfonic acid
« on: June 27, 2014, 03:10:17 AM »
Everywhere I've seen it, the reaction is shown like

C1=CC=C(C=C1)S(=O)(=O)O + H+ = C6H6 + HSO3+

But in case of high dilution in water the acid will be deprotonated (it is a strong one). Will the reaction

C6H5SO3- + H+ = C6H6 + SO3

take place?

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Re: Desulfonation of benzenesulfonic acid
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 04:09:24 AM »
I never have seen this HSO3+. Existing do HSO3-

Benzene sulfonic acid is very stable in water, also the second reaction wouldn't take place.

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Re: Desulfonation of benzenesulfonic acid
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 04:47:06 AM »
I never have seen this HSO3+. Existing do HSO3-

Benzene sulfonic acid is very stable in water, also the second reaction wouldn't take place.

At high T sulfonation is reversible

Bruckner, Reinhard - Organic Mechanisms Reactions Stereochemist

As I understand it, in diluted H2SO4 there should be no hydrogen in the sulfonic groups. And also how would it proceed if we deal with sodium benzene sulfonate?

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Re: Desulfonation of benzenesulfonic acid
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 05:29:25 AM »
Here you have an naphthalen system with some more substituents, in some circumstance as here shown this reaction takes place in concentrated sulfuric acid.

In Benzene sulfonic acid  not much will happen.

see synthesis of it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzenesulfonic_acid

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Re: Desulfonation of benzenesulfonic acid
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 05:44:44 AM »
Here you have an naphthalen system with some more substituents, in some circumstance as here shown this reaction takes place in concentrated sulfuric acid.

Fine. Let's assume that this is naphthalene sulfonic acid in diluted sulfuric acid and sodium salt of this acid (just have not got a reference at hand, but in some textbooks they give example of desulfonation using bezene sulfonic acid; it does not matter much).

The acid is deprotonated (or there is an anion in solution in case of salt). What is the mechanism of desulfonation?

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