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Heat of formation question: Why does benzene exist?
« on: April 18, 2006, 03:30:30 AM »
So the reaction for the formation of benzene is

6C(s,graphite) + 3H2(g) --> C6H6(l) dHf = 49.0 kJ/mol

Since the change in entropy for this process is negative and the heat of formation is positive, delta G for the reaction will always be positive. So, why does benzene exist? I know there is a huge flaw in my reasoning somewhere, but I can't figure it out at the moment.
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Re: Heat of formation question: Why does benzene exist?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 04:25:24 AM »
1. Are you sure change in etropy is positive? Intiution tells me it is not, but then I am barely awaken ATM.

2. Even if so, dG = dH - TdS - see that minus sign?

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Re: Heat of formation question: Why does benzene exist?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 04:29:58 AM »
Yes, sorry entropy is negative. So there is no way the above reaction can go? So, why does Benzene exist. Sorry going to bed can't write. :P
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Re: Heat of formation question: Why does benzene exist?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2006, 05:15:02 PM »
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if dG for a process is negative, then the process is spontaneous.

Yes, sorry entropy is negative. So there is no way the above reaction can go? So, why does Benzene exist. Sorry going to bed can't write. :P
Benzene exists, but it definitely does not form through the reaction route suggested by the chemical equation:
6C(s,graphite) + 3H2(g) --> C6H6(l) dHf = 49.0 kJ/mol
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Re: Heat of formation question: Why does benzene exist?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 06:41:51 PM »
Okay just making sure.
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