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Why are sulphates so hard to reduce?
« on: December 08, 2015, 04:04:14 PM »
Why is dilute sulphuric acid so nonoxidizing, and allows hydrogen to be reduced?

Standard reduction potentials seem to be:
HSO4-+2e-+3H+ ::equil:: H2SO3+H2O +0,16V
H2SO3+4e-+4H+ ::equil:: S :spindown:+3H2O +0,50V
These 2 both being species applicable in acid conditions, pH 0 meaning H+ concentration 1 M, meaning about 10 % H2SO4, it follows that SO2 and H2SO3 should dismute in water. The total redox reaction of sulphuric acid ought to be:
HSO4-+6e-+7H+ ::equil:: S :spindown:+4H2O +0,39V
Strong enough oxidant to oxidize copper, and not allow hydrogen to be reduced.
Next step would be
S+2e-+2H+ ::equil:: H2 +0,14V
Also, in presence of heavy metals, which form insoluble/stable sulphides, reduction of sulphate to sulphide should be favoured.
If cathode charge is applied to PbSO4, why should the reaction be
PbSO4+2e-+H+ :rarrow: Pb+HSO4-
rather than
PbSO4+8e-+8H+ :rarrow: PbS+4H2O
?

« Last Edit: December 12, 2015, 06:27:17 AM by Borek »

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Re: Why are sulphates so hard to reduce?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2015, 06:43:38 AM »
Its because sulfur gave all electrons to other atoms here oxigen. It is with +6 in highest oxidation number. Its a very stable one.

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Re: Why are sulphates so hard to reduce?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 04:30:31 AM »
Its because sulfur gave all electrons to other atoms here oxigen. It is with +6 in highest oxidation number. Its a very stable one.
Um? The fact that it´s the highest oxidation number only explains why sulphate is hard to oxidize - sulphur is impossible to oxidize, so it´s oxygen which is oxidized:
2HSO4- :rarrow: 2e-+H2S2O8
But why is reduction of sulphate so hard?
Also, why don´t arrows show properly?
« Last Edit: December 12, 2015, 06:26:56 AM by Borek »

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Re: Why are sulphates so hard to reduce?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 06:26:46 AM »
Also, why don´t arrows show properly?

You need to add a space after them.

Actually that's something that should be easy to correct in the forum code, if only I find a free moment to try...
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Re: Why are sulphates so hard to reduce?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 07:51:45 AM »
My guess would be that the activation barrier for reduction of sulfate is very high and that direction should ease you literature research. 

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