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k and K
« on: May 18, 2006, 01:08:38 PM »
Is there any equation that connects the rate constant and equilibrium constant?
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Re: k and K
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 01:57:11 PM »
No.
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Re: k and K
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 03:30:59 PM »
Maybe something for me to find out sometime...  :)
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Re: k and K
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 08:51:39 PM »
If k1 is the forward rate constant and k -1 is the reverse rate constant, isn't the equilibrium constant just K = k1/k -1?

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Re: k and K
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2006, 03:36:14 AM »
If k1 is the forward rate constant and k -1 is the reverse rate constant, isn't the equilibrium constant just K = k1/k -1?

It is, but that's when you know both k. As long as you know one only - you are out of luck.
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Re: k and K
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2006, 06:24:43 AM »
If k1 is the forward rate constant and k -1 is the reverse rate constant, isn't the equilibrium constant just K = k1/k -1?

Well I was hoping to find such an expression somewhere. Thank you :-)

Curious that I havent seen it before...
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Re: k and K
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2006, 10:44:18 AM »
consider the chemical equilibrium A <-> B

forward rate = k1CA
backward rate = k2CB

at dynamic equilibrium, forward rate = backward rate
k1CA = k2CB
K = CB/CA = k1/k2
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Re: k and K
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2006, 01:21:45 AM »
If k1 is the forward rate constant and k -1 is the reverse rate constant, isn't the equilibrium constant just K = k1/k -1?

Well I was hoping to find such an expression somewhere. Thank you :-)

Curious that I havent seen it before...

I thought you learn this in high school under chemical equilibrium?

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Re: k and K
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2006, 05:53:26 AM »
I thought you learn this in high school under chemical equilibrium?

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