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Offline ostudent

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carbon 13 NMR [conceptual]
« on: November 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM »
Hi all,

I'm having a hard time understanding what's going on in C13 NMR.
For proton NMR, it makes sense that the spectra allows determination of protons in a molecule. The protons are already there.

However, the C13 isotope isn't present in any natural compounds, right?
So, then, how would you detect it in C13 NMR? I read in text that C13 atoms almost never occur together in the same molecule.

Or is there an underlying assumption that you could theoretically synthesize a molecule like butane but with one C13 and the others remain as C12.

sorry for the inconvenience of explaining this. I think there's something fundamentally missing in my understanding this whole NMR thing^^


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Re: carbon 13 NMR [conceptual]
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 10:14:12 PM »
Quote from: ostudent link=topic=97887.msg345130#mφsg345130 date=1543284760
However, the C13 isotope isn't present in any natural compounds, right?
No, natural change of 13C is on the order of 1%.
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Re: carbon 13 NMR [conceptual]
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2018, 06:03:27 AM »
Humans purify 13C and put the atoms where desired in the observed molecule - when this is wanted and worth the effort. You can for instance search the web for:
13C "Sigma Aldrich"

"Almost never" is an exaggeration. The natural abundance of 13C being 1.08%
https://www.webelements.com/carbon/isotopes.html
18% of glycerol trioleate molecules C57HxOy, a natural vegetable oil, contain two 13C at random locations.

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Re: carbon 13 NMR [conceptual]
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2018, 02:40:20 PM »
@OP, So if 1.1 % of C-13 nuclei have a second C-13 nuclei next to them, then what does this suggest about observing lines that originate from one-bond carbon-carbon coupling?
« Last Edit: November 27, 2018, 02:56:29 PM by Babcock_Hall »

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