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Standard cell potential for rx
« on: March 30, 2019, 12:13:02 PM »
Hello,

I have the following half reactions:

Fe2+(aq)  -> Fe3+(aq)+ e- E0 = -0.77V
Zn2+ + 2e- -> Zn(s) E0 = -0.76V

I.e. Fe is oxidized while Zn is reduced. According to the solution, E0tot = -0.01V. But I thought the answer should be -1.53V?

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM »
What is the difference between -20°C and -19°C? 39 degrees, or 1 degree?
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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 12:32:06 PM »
1 degree?

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2019, 03:34:12 AM »
1 degree it is, no need for a question mark.

Now apply the same thinking to potentials.
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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2019, 06:14:15 AM »
Thanks. So it's basically the potential difference between the cathode and anode?

I.e. E(total) = E(cathode) - E(anode)..?

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2019, 06:33:49 AM »
Yes.
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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 06:38:20 AM »
Alright. I'm a bit confused. Because I'm using tabulated values for Standard Elecrode Potentials, where ALL half reactions are listed as reduction reactions. Is the formula for the potential difference still the same when you actually change the sign of the oxidation reaction?

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2019, 08:41:33 AM »
The reaction goes both ways at exactly the same potential.
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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2019, 12:52:08 PM »
But don't you change the sign of the potential when you turn the half-reactions around?

I find the following values for the reduction reactions:

2Fe3++2e- -> 2Fe2+, E0 = 0.77V
Zn2+ + 2e- -> Zn, E0 = -0.76V

As Fe should be the oxidation reaction, we turn the reaction around and change sign of E0:

2Fe2+ -> 2Fe3++2e-, E0 = -0.77V

And E0tot = -1.53V ..?? That is the method that is presented in everything I find online. Find data for two reduction potentials, turn one of them around (and change sign) and then add them together.

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2019, 04:19:30 PM »
That is correct. The answer you gave in your first post was wrong because you were subtracting rather than adding. A common mistake. Either subtract one reduction potential from the other, or change the sign of the anode potential and add. Don't change sign and subtract!
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As Fe should be the oxidation reaction
What does the fact that E°tot is negative tell you about the reaction that occurs?

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Re: Standard cell potential for rx
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2019, 04:45:55 PM »
That the reactions doesn't go in the direction we have written it..? I'm fairly sure it should be  Zn that is oxidized.

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