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Offline Kunshirostorm

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Synthesis Question indole
« on: November 19, 2019, 08:18:47 AM »
if fisher indole synthesis works, phenylhydrazine with succinaldehyde will make indole-3-acetaldehyde

i don't know if it works this way so if someone can answer this question it would be great

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Re: Synthesis Question indole
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 11:35:22 AM »
I think the hydrazine will attack both ends of the succinic aldehyde, probably form a ring.
You could protect one aldehyde group as a 1,3-dithiane, this can give the indole but you get to unprotect it so 2 more steps. I think you can buy this protected succinic aldehyde.
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Re: Synthesis Question indole
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 04:15:42 AM »
I think the hydrazine will attack both ends of the succinic aldehyde, probably form a ring.
You could protect one aldehyde group as a 1,3-dithiane, this can give the indole but you get to unprotect it so 2 more steps. I think you can buy this protected succinic aldehyde.
but do the Dithiane protect both side of succinaldehyde, because i whant 1,3-Dithiane-2-propanal so that i form indole,  is there a way to synthetise it or do i need to buy 1,3-Dithiane-2-propanal

I have another idea, can i take 4-hydroxybutanal, mix with phenylhydrazine to make Tryptophol. Then i just need to oxyde it to get indole-3-acetaldehyde
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Re: Synthesis Question indole
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2019, 07:27:16 AM »
I think the hydrazine will attack both ends of the succinic aldehyde, probably form a ring.
You could protect one aldehyde group as a 1,3-dithiane, this can give the indole but you get to unprotect it so 2 more steps. I think you can buy this protected succinic aldehyde.
but do the Dithiane protect both side of succinaldehyde, because i whant 1,3-Dithiane-2-propanal so that i form indole,  is there a way to synthetise it or do i need to buy 1,3-Dithiane-2-propanal

No, the dithiane will form a mixture of mono and di-protected material, you are correct.
I think your second method would work. I have a feeling that there must be a litterature method how to make this indole aldehyde?

I have another idea, can i take 4-hydroxybutanal, mix with phenylhydrazine to make Tryptophol. Then i just need to oxyde it to get indole-3-acetaldehyde

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