November 24, 2024, 11:57:50 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid  (Read 7577 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline eprigge

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« on: October 26, 2006, 03:41:04 PM »
I am very confused about a simple reaction I have read about and done.  In a very acidic solution (pH<1) I oxidize ferrous sulfate to ferric sulfate using hydrogen peroxide.  On addition of more sulfuric acid the Fe+3 ion is reduced back to Fe+2.  I just don't understand what is donating the electron to make this happen...

Offline woelen

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 277
  • Mole Snacks: +40/-2
  • Gender: Male
  • The art of wondering makes life worth living...
    • Science made alive
Re: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 03:59:03 PM »
The H2O2 probably does. H2O2 can act as reductor and as oxidizer. E.g. when you add 30% H2O2 to 30% HCl, then Cl2 is formed (oxidation), but after a while, O2 is formed and Cl2 disappears (reduction). This reaction can even oscillate.
A similar thing is known for oxidation of ferrocyanide and reduction of ferricyanide with H2O2. So, it would not surprise me when it also shows similar behavior with Fe(3+) ion.
Want to wonder? See http://www.oelen.net/science

Offline eprigge

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
Re: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 04:37:29 PM »
Hmm could be.  I actually formed one batch of Fe+3 via electrolysis of ferrous sulfate solution and I think it had the same behavior.  Also, I think the reduction reaction with H2O2 is supposed to occur under basic conditions:

2 Fe3+ + H2O2 + 2 OH? ? 2 Fe2+ + 2 H2O + O2

And there was no release of O2.  But what do I know.   ???

Offline woelen

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 277
  • Mole Snacks: +40/-2
  • Gender: Male
  • The art of wondering makes life worth living...
    • Science made alive
Re: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2006, 01:02:27 PM »
OK, that is important additional information. No release of O2. The only other thing I then can think of is that the iron (III) ions become totally hydrated. The ion [Fe(H2O)6](3+) is almost colorless. The yellow color, we usually observe, is partly hydrolysed hexaaqua iron (III) ion, something like [Fe(H2O)5(OH)](2+).

Have a look at my webpage, where I explain this. Look at the section on oxidation state +3.

http://woelen.scheikunde.net/science/chem/solutions/fe.html

Iron ions are almost colorless, when fully present as hexaaqua ion. When you add extra acid, then the hydrolysis products will be protonated again, and you get the true hexaaqua ion.
Want to wonder? See http://www.oelen.net/science

Offline eprigge

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
Re: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2006, 09:57:55 PM »
Very nice page!  I would not have guessed that lowly iron was so complex.  What I had to start with was maybe 3/4 saturation solution of ferrous sulfate in sulfuric acid originally and both electrolysis and H2O2 gave a deep red amber like what your Fe+4 pic shows, I thought this was Fe+3.  Could barely see through a glass thimble full of it.

So it's likely shifting states of hydration I'm seeing instead, rather than reduction of Fe+3, and could even be Fe+4 hydrated states.  Would KSCN be a definative test for Fe+3?  Thanks for you *delete me*

Offline woelen

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 277
  • Mole Snacks: +40/-2
  • Gender: Male
  • The art of wondering makes life worth living...
    • Science made alive
Re: Reduction of Fe+3 by Acid
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2006, 11:43:33 AM »
Thiocyanate is a sensitive indicator for ferric ions, but only for iron in the +3 oxidation state. Iron at higher oxidation states are reduced to the +3 state, so using excess KSCN certainly will show up any iron in oxidation state +3 or higher, and also in any hydration state.
Want to wonder? See http://www.oelen.net/science

Sponsored Links