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bromination
« on: November 11, 2006, 04:45:03 PM »
i have done an experiment which is the bromination of tran-cinnamic acid .
In theoretically , syn & anti- addition both can occur ;
BUT i only got a anti result , what's the reason????

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Re: bromination
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2006, 08:00:47 PM »
Brief / revelant explanation is OK :)
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Re: bromination
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2006, 08:06:31 PM »
Look up the mechanism, it will become clear.
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Re: bromination
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 12:00:53 AM »
Look up the mechanism, it will become clear.
i know the mechanism ,
there is bromonium ion formed  :)
thus ,anti is prefered=)
but i still have a question,
what's the difference between the bromination of trans-anethole and trans-cinnamic acid ???
why anethole can have syn-addition ???
actually anethole and cinnamic acid both are quite similar.
Is it because the benzene ring of trans-anethole bond to OCH3,
but trans-cinnamic acid doesn't  ???
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Re: bromination
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 07:28:36 AM »
For syn addition to occur, the bromonium ion must be opened (forming a carbocation) so that the bromide can attack the same face as the first bromine. Anethole has a relatively stable carbocation compared to cinnamic acid. Can you see why?
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Re: bromination
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2006, 09:26:30 AM »
For syn addition to occur, the bromonium ion must be opened (forming a carbocation) so that the bromide can attack the same face as the first bromine. Anethole has a relatively stable carbocation compared to cinnamic acid. Can you see why?
I think the reason for the stable carbocation due to the etherbenzene ring, it has resonnance structures that stabilizes the +ive charge (e- donate), is it ??? 
actually , i am not sure and just guess :)

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Re: bromination
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2006, 09:35:53 AM »
I think the reason for the stable carbocation due to the etherbenzene ring, it has resonnance structures that stabilizes the +ive charge (e- donate), is it ??? 
actually , i am not sure and just guess :)

It's a good guess! Make sure you can draw the resonance structures. This seems like a good explanation to me anyway.
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Re: bromination
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2006, 05:03:32 PM »
I think the reason for the stable carbocation due to the etherbenzene ring, it has resonnance structures that stabilizes the +ive charge (e- donate), is it ??? 
actually , i am not sure and just guess :)

It's a good guess! Make sure you can draw the resonance structures. This seems like a good explanation to me anyway.
is my reason possible???
any other reasons are relevant to explain why??
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Re: bromination
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2006, 07:55:57 PM »
I think it is the reason, again, make sure you can draw the resonance structures.

I can't see any other obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
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Re: bromination
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2006, 08:47:44 PM »
I think it is the reason, again, make sure you can draw the resonance structures.

I can't see any other obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
THE RESONNANC : CH3O=ring=C   
The atom O originally has 2 lone pair e-, thus i think it can donate e- to form double bond and stabilize the +ive charge in the ring
is it the possible structure  ???

anyway , thx your reply !! :)

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