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distinguishing organic compounds...
« on: December 31, 2006, 06:15:09 PM »
i need help...what kind of tests could you perform to distinguish between butane and 1-butene? and for CH3CH2NH2 and CH3OCH3 :-\ ???

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2007, 06:22:41 AM »
butane and 1-butene

What would result when an oxidizing agent is added?

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CH3CH2NH2 and CH3OCH3

What reactions can an ether undergo, in your opinion? What do you think an aldehyde and an amine will produce?

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2007, 04:18:45 PM »
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What would result when an oxidizing agent is added?

What do you mean by an oxidizing agent? Is it when oxygen is added to the compound? If so isn't it a combustion reaction if u add oxygen to CH3CH2CH2CH3?  ???  :-\

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 06:42:49 PM »

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2007, 08:08:58 PM »
thanks for that link albert. Now that i've understood it a bit more i found out that alkanes oxidize with carbon dioxide and tetracholoromethane and alkenes oxidize with carboxylic acids, amides, and chloroform. i am not sure what would result though when the alkane and alkene are oxidized  :-\. I am sorry for being so clueless  ???  :'(

EDIT: Nevermind about my question. I just realized an easy way to distinguish between butane and 1-butene, which is by determining the boiling point  ;D...but i can't seem to find the boiling point for 1-butene  :-[ :-X and just to make sure... CH2=CHCH2CH3 is 1-butene right?
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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 07:28:00 AM »
i can't seem to find the boiling point for 1-butene  :-[ :-X and just to make sure... CH2=CHCH2CH3 is 1-butene right?

http://www.physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/1-butene.html

After 10 sec. of Google search...

Yes, that is 1-butene.

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hanks for that link albert. Now that i've understood it a bit more i found out that alkanes oxidize with carbon dioxide and tetracholoromethane and alkenes oxidize with carboxylic acids, amides, and chloroform. i am not sure what would result though when the alkane and alkene are oxidized

What about potassium permanganate?

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 02:32:34 PM »
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After 10 sec. of Google search...

What did you put in the search query?  ??? i put "1-butene boiling point" but i didn't find anything  :-[

Thanks for the suggestion of potassium permanganate  :)

Now onto the next question...

CH3CH2NH2 is nitroethane right? and CH3OCH3 is dimethyl ether? for dimethyl ether i think a hydrolysis reaction will be sufficient to distinguish it but what about nitroethane?

EDIT: Oh nevermind i just realized that it's an amine  :-X  :-[ how would you correctly name it? aminoethane? or ethylamine?
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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 03:46:24 PM »
Nitroethane: CH3CH2NO2

Ethanoamine = Aminoethane: CH3CH2NH2

Think about the amine. Think about a reaction with a product which is easier to be seen (and whose concetration is simpler to be determined).

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 10:57:54 PM »
Thanks for all your help albert  ;D in my text book it stated that amines have distinguishable smells so i used that as a way to distinguish the two  ;D

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Re: distinguishing organic compounds...
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 07:41:57 AM »
Or, you can use an aldehyde to yield an imine.  ;)

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