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Ammonium Chloride help
« on: March 10, 2007, 10:15:31 PM »
    Hello to all and thank you for reading, my question is in regards to the production of NH4Cl
I had disolved NH4NO3 in water, and to this solution i added KCL, resultiing in a double replacement reaction yeilding KNO3 and NH4Cl.

    Perhaps there is a better way to form NH4Cl, I intended to use it to replicate the Negative x reaction on unitednuclear.com.

    Or could there be a difeent compound i could use.

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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 05:17:24 AM »
I had disolved NH4NO3 in water, and to this solution i added KCL, resultiing in a double replacement reaction yeilding KNO3 and NH4Cl.

I did exactly opposite - I have dissolved NH4Cl in water, and to this solution I added KNO3, resulting in a double replacement reaction yelding NH4NO3 and KCl.

One of us must be wrong, but why? ;)
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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 09:54:53 PM »
Thank you for the response, but i am cetain that i have created KNO3 because of the purple flame it generated, and it created a smoke bomb when burned with sugar, could it be a different potassium based oxidizer, or is another compound forming with the KNO3 ?

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Campus/5361/kno3/ammnit.html

i used this to produce the NH4Cl rather than the KNO3 but i assume its the same proceedure.

Thanx for the help

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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 01:55:23 PM »
You don't understand :)

You have a solution that contains four different ions. They don't react, so all you have is just a mixture. Doesn't matter if you mix solutions of KNO3 and NH4Cl, or solution of KCl with solution of NH4NO3 - effect is exactly the same. No reaction.
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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 05:00:22 PM »
    If there is no reaction, then which compound precipitates out when it is cooled ?

If no KNO3 is produced then the white substance that preicipitates must be a different oxidizer, which is it.

Is it just the ammonium nitrate comming back out ?

Could you inform me on a different method of creating ammonium nitrate then

Thanks for the great help by the way

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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 05:01:16 PM »
chloride, not nitrate sorry

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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2007, 05:08:34 PM »
So far you have not posted anything about drying the mixture out, it changes the situation :)

Order of crystalization will depend on the solubilities. Consult CRC Handbook or something similar.
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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 02:55:14 AM »
  My appologies for missing that part of the equation.

and although I am not drying it I am cooling it which I assume would have a very simmilar concequence

thank you for the tip and all the great help.

perhaps you have a different method of production for me, if possible or a different catalyst for the Zinc, Ammonium nitrate, Ammonium chloride reaction with water to produce a flame.


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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 01:01:07 PM »
Hello. Respect your question "There's another better method to realise NH4Cl?": I've made it, once, mixing Amonnia (NH3·H2O / NH4OH) and conc. HCl. Try to ajust the quantity's of both Chems to the stochiometry of the reaction. Let the excess of wather evaporate, and the crystals of NH4Cl will appear in the flask. It's an very easy method, and primitive  :D. Good look.

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Re: Ammonium Chloride help
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2007, 01:08:16 PM »
and be very careful mixing a strong acid with a base

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