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Offline kankerfist

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Weak acid/base equilibrium question
« on: April 28, 2007, 08:03:45 PM »
This question is on my study guide:
In a Na3PO4 solution with an initial concentration of 0.03M, what is the final concentration of [PO43-] when the pH of this solution is 12?  Only considering the equilibrium:
PO43- + H2O --> HPO42- + OH- : pKb = 1.35

Solution attempt:
First I assumed that 0.03M of Na3PO4 completely dissolves resulting in 0.03M PO43-
I had the impression that Kb = [HPO42-][OH-]/[PO43-]
given pKb = 1.35, then Kb = .0447.  Also,  I had the impression that [HPO42-]=[OH-
So plugging in the given values results in:
.0447 = [X][X]/[.03]
then X = 0.0366.  Because [OH] = 0.0366, pH can be calculated by 14 - pOH, which finally results in a pH of 10.7.  So how can the initial 0.03M Na3PO4 wind up with a pH of 12?  If any of my above assumptions is incorrect, please let me know.  Any tips would be appreciated!

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Re: Weak acid/base equilibrium question
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 08:38:28 PM »
Maybe I should have posted this in the inorganic chem section  :P  The study guide is for a college class, but I remember that high school chem is when I was most thoroughly taught weak acid/base topics.

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Re: Weak acid/base equilibrium question
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 10:29:20 PM »
[HPO42-]=[OH-]

This is the incorrect assumption because some OH- exists in solution before the reaction occurs.  However, since you know that pH = 12 at equilibrium, you can calculate [OH-].  Now you can use your Kb equation along with one other simple equation to find the equilibrium concentration of phosphate.

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Re: Weak acid/base equilibrium question
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 04:57:12 AM »
kankerfist - as Yggdrasil already wrote your assumption in general is wrong, you were not told that this solutions contains only Na3PO4. Could be the pH was adjusted by NaOH or H3PO4 added. However, I understand where you confusion comes from, question wording is far from perfect IMHO.

But - pH of the pure Na3PO4 solution is not 10.7. Check your math.
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Re: Weak acid/base equilibrium question
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 05:49:48 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  My professor speaks only a little english so the test questions are sometimes hard to understand. 

I've considered the above and found an error:

[OH-] concentration from the Na3PO4 solution is 0.0366 so I did the following:

pOH = -ln[OH-] / ln(10) = log10(0.0366) = 1.436
pH = 14 - pOH = 14 - 1.436 = 12.56

If 0.03 M Na3PO4 fully dissolves, it results in a solution of 0.09 M Na+ and 0.03 M PO43- and water.  So wouldn't the PO43- ions that react each result in 1 HPO42- and 1 OH- ion?  And those that didn't would leave H2O intact, so I don't see where HPO42- could become more/less concentrated than OH-.  If I can figure this one last thing out then I'll be all done studying for my final tomorrow  :)

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