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Conjugation in the amidine group
« on: September 08, 2007, 03:25:59 PM »
The Clayden says that amidine groups are basic because the amidinium cation is stabilized by the delocalization of the positive charge over both Ns.

How can the one N participate in the conjugate system when it is sp3 hybridzed and so does not have a lone pair in a p orbital?

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Re: Conjugation in the amidine group
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2007, 03:54:29 PM »
In many cases sp3 atoms with a lone pair will change their hybridization to sp2 in order to place the lone pair electrons into a p orbital, allowing the lone pair to be delocalized across a conjugated pi system.

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Re: Conjugation in the amidine group
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2007, 04:05:56 PM »
Can I consider it a rule that of all possible hybridizations the atoms will always "choose" the one that most stabilizes the compound of which they are part?

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Re: Conjugation in the amidine group
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2007, 05:10:47 PM »
That sounds about right.  For a normally sp3 atom to become sp2 hybridized, it must have a lone pair.  You cannot have something bonded to four atoms be sp2 hybridized.

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Re: Conjugation in the amidine group
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2007, 05:28:48 PM »
Cool, thanks alot.

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