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pH for a solution with two bases
« on: November 21, 2007, 12:49:00 PM »
20 mL 1 M NaOH is mixed with 10 mL 4 M NH3.
Calculate pH for this solution.


My suggestion:
OH- + NH3  + H2O <-> 2 OH- + NH4+

So I find [OH-] from the NH3 which is 10^(-(½*(pKb - logc))). Then I find n(OH-), divide it by the total volume and use pOH = -log[OH-] and pH =14-pOH.

Is this correct? Or do I have to take the buffer solution into account as well?

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Re: pH for a solution with two bases
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 03:32:22 PM »
No buffer here - there is ammonia, but no NH4+. Start with fully dissociated NaOH - will ammonia change anything?
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Re: pH for a solution with two bases
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 04:06:47 PM »
No buffer here - there is ammonia, but no NH4+. Start with fully dissociated NaOH - will ammonia change anything?

Why is that? Ammonia is a weak base, so
 NH3 + H2O <--> NH4+ + OH-
But does the NaOH disrupt the equilibrium? Does this have anything to do with [OH-]*[H3O+] = 1*10-14?

Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand. Could you elaborate a bit?
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Re: pH for a solution with two bases
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 05:45:44 PM »
Well, there are traces of NH4+ - which can be neglected. Let's take a closer look at the dissociation constant definition:

Kb = [NH4+][OH-]/[NH3]

it can be rearranged to

[NH4+]/[NH3] = 10pOH-pKb

What for? Well, let's assume OH- comes from NaOH only. We know pKb to be 9.25. Now you should be able to calculate NH4+ concentration at this pOH - if it is small enough when compared to NaOH concentration, OH- from ammonia can be neglected.

If not - that's completely different problem. But we will deal with it ONLY if it'll be necessary ;)
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Re: pH for a solution with two bases
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2007, 04:10:07 AM »
Ok, so pH = 14 + log[0,02], right?

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