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Offline Josette017

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Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« on: December 09, 2007, 12:25:45 PM »
The following problem is in my Chemistry book...

Write the orbital diagram corresponding to the ground state of Nb, whose configuration is [Kr]4d45s1.

I look at this and find Nb's configuration to be [Kr] 5s24d3.

Am I wrong about this or is the book wrong?      ???


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Re: Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 04:41:21 PM »
My sources say that the book is right  :)

Nb = [Kr]4d45s

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Re: Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007, 05:38:46 PM »
the book is right because block "d" elements lose block "s" electrons first. so thats why the configration of Nb is
Nb = [Kr]4d45s

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Re: Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2007, 05:46:03 PM »
the book is right because block "d" elements lose block "s" electrons first. so thats why the configration of Nb is
Nb = [Kr]4d45s
Not exactly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_configuration#Exceptions_in_3d.2C_4d.2C_5d
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Re: Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 02:34:54 PM »
Why Nb 's configuration [Kr] 5s1 4d4 ? there is no half filled shell? I expected like [Kr] 5s2 4d3 as Josette?

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Re: Orbital Diagram & Electron Configuration
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 03:47:03 PM »
IMHO these are fineprints that are not worth looking at for exact explanation. Thing is, energy levels of these configurations are very close. We are comparing huge numbers (energy) that differs by small amount. Sometimes effect of half orbital being filled wins, sometimes effect of full oribital wins. For me looking for hard rules here is not worth much more then numerology. These are just excpetions and should be treated like ones.
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