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Liquid Ammonia
« on: March 03, 2008, 05:51:22 PM »
This is probably a stupid question but does Liquid Ammonia and Ammonia have the same formula (NH3)?

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2008, 05:53:03 PM »
You are right twice ;)

Unless you are asked to give state of matter, then formula will be identical, but you will have to add (aq) or (g) to mark the difference.
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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2008, 06:21:46 PM »

Dear Mr. Borek;

Why you exclude NH3(liq.) ?

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2008, 06:51:22 PM »
Oops, my mistake, I meant (l), not (aq).

Note it should be written with exactly the same font and fontsize that chemical symbols used in equation. No italics, no subscripts. And I believe it should be (l) not (liq).
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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2008, 06:59:50 PM »

Dear Mr. Borek;

Now I feel eased; I already thought I would have something missed after all this years.
(I used it only this way to point it out clearly. - Sorry!)

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 10:44:22 PM »
When you buy household ammonia (I don't know if that's what you meant by liquid ammonia), it's listed as NH4OH. It's just ammonia dissolved in water. Depends, like I said, on what you mean by liquid ammonia though.



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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2008, 05:17:10 AM »

Dear Pzona69;

You’re right! 

But if you now cool  dry NH3(g) below -33°C, then NH3(g) will start to condense an build a Liquid, the NH3(l)  (Bp. -33.3 °C /1.0 atm.).

Such liquid Ammonia is sometimes required for several reactions, and then it’s called “Deep Temperature Chemistry”.

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 10:38:54 PM »
ARGOS -

Just curious, what types of reactions would use NH3? The only ones I can think of would require more energy than what I'm guessing liquid ammonia at such low temperatures would have. Unless there was some strong catalyst involved?  All the information I found about ammonia reactions was either on its gaseous state or ammonia solutions.

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 01:14:37 AM »
ARGOS -

Just curious, what types of reactions would use NH3? The only ones I can think of would require more energy than what I'm guessing liquid ammonia at such low temperatures would have. Unless there was some strong catalyst involved?  All the information I found about ammonia reactions was either on its gaseous state or ammonia solutions.
Liquid ammonia may be  used as a specific solvent. During reduction of organic compounds chemists often use metallic sodium and liquid ammonia. Moreover some compounds are so unstable that they should be synthesize even in lower temperature, eg a liquid nitrogen as cooling medium.
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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2008, 05:20:53 AM »

Dear Pzona69;

I build/designed a numerous of “Acetylenes” ( mono-, di-, tree-, …) and related Compounds!

Something like:       ( at -78°C in NH3(l):   “Dry Ice in Ethanol or Acetone”)
     R1-(C ≡ C)nR2      with:   n = 1 … ~6;    R1, R2: -H, -D, -CH3, -CD3, -Hal, etc.
                                                                        (- and mixed)

You always start with dry NH3(l) and “Liquid Electrons”, a very nice blue Color.

But there are a lot of other similar reactions too.


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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 05:50:52 PM »
AWK-

From what you said, it sounds like liquid ammonia is more useful for its low boiling point than its actual chemical properties?

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Re: Liquid Ammonia
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 06:31:51 PM »
Not true, liquid ammonia is very useful for a number of organic and inorganic chemical reactions, where you need a polar solvent that isn't water.
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