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Offline nikita

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Ionic equations
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:40:22 PM »
Please bear with me, as these questions may either seem obvious or may not even make sense, but ill try to be as clear as i can be, with the limited knowledge i have.

I fairly understand ionic equations and i understand net ionic equations, but its all really only on the surface.  i hate not knowing why something is going on or the how of it.

for example, i understand that an ionic equation is splitting everything up into their ions.  eg., HCl into H+ and Cl-.  I understand (on the easy ones) that all these ions will either dissolve into solution, if they are soluble, become a water and a salt, or precipitate.  i guess there are other times, when nothing happen, eg., no reaction.  im a little hazy on that, but whatever.  here is an example of something i understand:
K+(aq) + I-(aq) + Pb2+(aq) + 2 NO3-(aq)  :rarrow:  KNO3 +PbI2
( i wont do it here, because its hard to and confusing anyway, but the spectators are K and NO3 on each side so the net ionic is
Pb2+ (aq) + I-(aq)  :rarrow: PbI2(s)   due to the insolubility lead iodide.

so, something like this confuses me:
K+ (aq) + HSO4-(aq) + Na+(aq) + OH-(aq) :rarrow:
I would do KOH + NaHSO4 and call it a day.  however, i would only do this because of the charges.  i have read chapter 4 of my book about 7 times and i still cant see or comprehend what i am missing.  KOH is a strong base.  I presume NaHSO4 is some kind of salt, sodium bicarbonate,  but this is not the final answer.  why?  what fundamental thing am i missing? The answer in my book tells me nothing, just the nie:  HSO4+OH :rarrow: H2O + SO4. (is this something i should memorise?  i think that HSO4 ionises twice, but i dont have a list of ions that do that, just a random example.) 

I guess a main question i have is, i understand when a strong acid and a strong base combine in water, they produce a water and a salt.  i also understand insolubility and precipitates.  but i dont know anything else.  if they are not those 2 things, then how do i find out or learn how to find out what they are, eg., predict the reaction.  I have the same problems with weak bases and strong acids and weak acids and strong bases.  what on earth do i do with those?  there are only a few examples in my book concerning NH3.  what about something like, (CH3)2NH?  the ionisation?  do i add H2O on and hope for the best?  eg., (CH3)2NH3+OH?  my issue is i dont understand why.

Sorry this is long and may sound ridiculous. 

i hope this makes sense and someone who has chemistry knowledge understands what i am talking about. 

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Re: Ionic equations
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 07:12:38 PM »
H2SO4 = H+ + HSO4-

HSO4- = H+ + SO42-

KHSO4 is a so called acidic salt. HSO4- is a relatively weak acid (still strong when compared with most weak acids, bu much weaker than H2SO4). When going for net ionic I would write something like

HSO4- + OH- = SO42- + H2O

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