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Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« on: December 02, 2008, 11:19:54 AM »
Can anyone check out what i got?

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 12:02:35 PM »
The second step should have the electrons from the oxide attacking the carbon attached to the bromine, with bromide eliminating.  Can't decipher what you drew.  And it's an intermediate, so you should have brackets around it.  That product's an epoxide, by the way.

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 12:42:01 PM »
do you know why is  the  choise (amount  of base) very critical?

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 12:46:55 PM »
what happens if you have excess base that is also a good nucleophile?
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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 12:54:06 PM »
reaction doesn't take place?/

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 01:00:33 PM »
no... you'll still initially form the epoxide.

one of the biggest challenges in organic synthesis is finding reaction conditions that will perform the transformation you desire... and nothing else.

here, after you form the epoxide, there is another reaction that could happen if you have excess base that is a good nucleophile.  do you see what it could be?
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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 01:03:58 PM »
nope!

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 01:06:54 PM »
flip forward a few pages in the epoxide chapter to the nucleophilic ring opening of epoxides and give that section a read.

imagine if you did the reaction you drew in the o.p. with excess NaOH.  What might happen after you form the epoxide?
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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 01:09:18 PM »
it reopens the epoxide! -

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 01:12:56 PM »
right.  good.

so you need a non-nucleophilic base (LDA, maybe NaH), and just 1 equivalent.

see here for more general info:
http://www.chem.uky.edu/courses/che232/JEA/ln/4a.%20Ethers.pdf
http://depts.washington.edu/chemcrs/bulkdisk/chem238A_win05/notes_16_pt2.pdf
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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 01:15:33 PM »
and the mechanism is correct, right?

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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 01:48:47 PM »
Here's how I would draw it. 

Can the first part of this mechanism (the formation of the epoxide) be classified as an SN2 reaction?  why or why not?
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Re: Cyclization of a 2 haloalchol in the presence of base
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2008, 03:19:52 PM »
Thanks a lot ! You guys r master in CHM

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